[Discuss] OSHWA creates one database to rule them all ...

Thu Nov 6 05:34:31 UTC 2014

>
> Is it accurate to say that you're setting up a kind of SaaS business where
> you provide people with infrastructure (accounting, project management,
> storage, payment processing, etc) in return for a cut of their revenue?

Not accurate.
The OVN infrastructure, or OVNi is open source. Anyone can contribute to
its development and use it. We want the OVN model to spread.
I am going to revive the crowdfunding campaign initiative
<http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Open_Value_Network_infrastructure_funding_initiative>.
If you want, join the community  : )

What you see on github is our second prototype, and we are now moving
towards something built on semantic web and linked data. I think the future
is https://www.ethereum.org/ But we need to start somewhere. We actually
started with Google spreadsheets  : ) that was our first version.

But I also want people to understand that NRP-s and value accounting
systems are just tools. During over four years with www.sensorica.co we
learned the hard way that the most difficult problems to solve are in the
socio-economic space.

Bettermeans started at the same time as SENSORICA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAlnMWlvw9g
But they were just a group of programmers, with no real community to
support their development, no real feedback, no real user cases, and they
collapsed.

It is important to join forces because the task is HUGE. It is also
important to build diverse communities to develop this, in order to take
into consideration all the complexity, otherwise a lot of work will just go
to waste.

On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:58 PM, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Okay, yeah, there's a lot there; kind of a learning curve. It looks like
> you're modeling a network of processes and resources, which looks
> more-or-less identical to the approach I'm working with which uses states
> and changes, and I also think that "recipes" are a perfect metaphor :) My
> thing is just focused on the project instructions though.
>
> How do you get everyone everywhere to check-out and check-in their tasks
> in real time?
>
> Is it accurate to say that you're setting up a kind of SaaS business where
> you provide people with infrastructure (accounting, project management,
> storage, payment processing, etc) in return for a cut of their revenue?
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:38 PM, Tiberius Brastaviceanu <
> tiberius.brastaviceanu at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I exchanged with Brent about his work and I think find value in it.
>>
>> Matt Maier, Brent is working on infrastructure to support organizations
>> that already exist. Ambitious? Perhaps... but if Brent is ambitious we must
>> be crazy.
>> We started working on infrastructure to support commons-based peer
>> production four years ago, and we did a lot of work. You can see our second
>> network resource planning and value accounting (NRP-VAS) prototype on
>> Github here <https://github.com/valnet/valuenetwork>.
>> We also developed legal infrastructure and governance. Our playground is
>> http://www.sensorica.co/
>>
>> The Open Value Network is documented here
>> http://valuenetwork.referata.com/
>>
>> We are also collaborating with p2pValue project who just released first
>> deliverable
>> http://www.p2pvalue.eu/publications/project-deliverables
>>
>> There is also a group in Europe working on infrastructure
>> http://labs.ouishare.net/projects/opennetworks
>>
>> I would love to see more initiatives joining the ranks.
>> I would also love to see more open spaces and ventures adopting these
>> tools and practices. We've been documenting a lot, even the problems that
>> we encountered implementing peer production.
>>
>> Feel free to ask for help if you need   : )
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 11:20 PM, Matt Maier <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Brent,
>>>
>>> Could you take another stab at summarizing all that? I don't recognize
>>> most of the tools/standards/organizations/sites/whatever you're referring
>>> to, but many of them look interesting.
>>>
>>> Am I correct in interpreting your wireframe as jumping straight to an
>>> "enterprise" level system for "peer production?" That's...ambitious. My
>>> first thought is that one of the biggest problems we have in growing peer
>>> production is that nobody bothers to document their work. I have a hard
>>> time imagining they will put in the time necessary to learn how to use an
>>> enterprise-level system given that most people don't use the systems they
>>> already understand to document anyway.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Brent Shambaugh <
>>> brent.shambaugh at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Great! You're enabling things that to me have never really been done
>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> "folks might be interested that in the context of Fab Labs I am working
>>>> on a system of linked open data to connect various repositories of Fab Lab
>>>> projects
>>>>
>>>> currently this is specifically geared towards Fab Lab projects, but I
>>>> think such a system could also be promoted under the auspices of OSHWA.
>>>>
>>>> questions and comments are welcome and anyone interested should get in
>>>> touch with me in the first place."
>>>>
>>>> I started my own project with a similar goal, which I am now wire
>>>> framing.
>>>>
>>>> http://bshambaugh.org/eispp/eispp_directional_graph.pdf
>>>> http://bshambaugh.org/eispp/EISPP_OPM3.pdf
>>>> http://bshambaugh.org/eispp/EISPP_OPM_fresnel_gss_rawbase_reafull.pdf
>>>> http://bshambaugh.org/eispp/list_asset.pdf
>>>>
>>>> built from: http://adistributedeconomy.blogspot.com/ &
>>>> bshambaugh.org/Master_17.html
>>>>
>>>> Descriptions helpful for the wireframes with files not attached:
>>>>
>>>> natural language query box gives documents and entities from ontologies
>>>> (MFernandez_thesis.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> entities are linked to ontologies...ontologies may be queried using
>>>> their structure with OB in
>>>> (EISPP_OB.pdf) with (paper3.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> ontologies may also be queried with SPARQL (
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/rdf-sparql-query/) or SQWRL
>>>>
>>>> (owled2009_submission_42.pdf [for questions about particular numbers])
>>>> {for looking at valuenetworks, bartering systems, etc,}
>>>>
>>>> Protege may be loaded from the protege button (
>>>> http://protege.stanford.edu/)
>>>> once structured data is loaded from querying an ontology, or performing
>>>> a SQWRL, or a SPARQL
>>>> query...
>>>>
>>>> Views may include the object process methodology (Dori.pdf and
>>>> ER2003PT1Dori.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> A standard node-edge graph (http://www.w3.org/2001/11/IsaViz/).
>>>> a ranked list (http://lucene.apache.org/core/) with ontologies
>>>> (MFernandez_thesis.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> facets for navigation of information (ch 2 of thesis_hollenbach.pdf)
>>>> .... with hierirchies in ontologies
>>>> ...lists of ontologies...etc on the right hand panel in eispp3.pdf
>>>>
>>>> fresnel lenses for filtering out unwanted information (fresnel.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> Applications are ordered according to the Simantics concept (
>>>> simantics.org,
>>>> Simantics_Presentation_17_compressed.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> They use ISO15926 for integration (
>>>> https://www.posccaesar.org/wiki/ISO15926). An impressive example is
>>>> the process plant example (FinnishOpenFOAMUsersDay2010_GayerVTT.pdf)
>>>> Etherpad (http://etherpad.org/) might be integrated with RDfa (
>>>> http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml-rdfa-
>>>> primer/) markup for integration with semantic data (important for
>>>> integration with ISO15926 data and
>>>> value network data)
>>>>
>>>> The P2P network architecture might be oriented as a node-arc graph like
>>>> in
>>>> (http://www.w3.org/2001/11/IsaViz/) except that each node would
>>>> represent a separate processing node
>>>> ... and you might have a drag and drop methodology or some way of
>>>> selecting nodes...perhaps mapped
>>>> by geolocation ...and structured data search...perhaps SQRWL could be
>>>> used to find the lowest
>>>> bidder ...bartering can be done as in (emodelsgrid.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> Value networks...or the interactions between each team ..or within a
>>>> team would be modelled with an
>>>> REA accounting model (McCarthy.pdf --> REA_ontology_uml.pdf --> rea.owl
>>>> (ontology expressed as
>>>> xml by me)) ... used in practice by Bob Haugen working for the
>>>> sensorica project
>>>> (http://www.sensorica.co/),
>>>> http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page)
>>>> Use Ripple to transfer forms of value (https://ripple.com/)
>>>> Cryptocurrency ...Enhance with Ethereum integration ... (
>>>> https://www.ethereum.org/) ...for smart
>>>> contracts...etc...
>>>>
>>>> Triples may be edited...preferably by editing visually ...using
>>>> Hollenbachs web widgets
>>>> (thesis_hollenbach.pdf [presented earlier])
>>>>
>>>> Provenance ... concurrent version control (like git or github) for the
>>>> instances of ontologies (and
>>>> perhaps ontologies themselves) with R &W Base (ldow2013-paper-01.pdf)
>>>>
>>>> Make requests to buy something using VRM (
>>>> http://projectdanube.org/videos/video-the-three-
>>>> visions/) .... select products or parts expressed as instances of
>>>> (
>>>> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/OEP/SimplePartWhole/simple-part-whole-relations-
>>>> v1.3.html) .... (produced by value networks representing teams, people,
>>>> companies, virtual
>>>> enterprises ... etc)
>>>>
>>>> Select printers by IP address and have them produce whatever at an IP
>>>> address using BotQue
>>>> (https://www.botqueue.com/)
>>>>
>>>> Federate device status and info into a graph that looks like IsaViz,
>>>> Maltego, etc...to monitor creations
>>>> by value networks ...or printers...laser cutters.... factories .... etc
>>>> ....with calbimonte.pdf
>>>>
>>>> Federate status and info --- I.O.T. ---> Internet of Things
>>>> History .... show a history of browsing .... Buttons [to the beginning
>>>> of browsing: 1st action] [forward
>>>> one action] [run a movie showing all actions in sequence] [stop frame
>>>> progression in movie] [move to
>>>> the last action]
>>>> load structured data from a computer or through http ... (as a .rdf,
>>>> .owl or similar w3c standard file) ....
>>>>
>>>> this forms a starting point for browsing....for example you could load
>>>> a graph describing you...and then find patterns in data on the web that
>>>> matches your nodes and edges...(using sparql or sqwrl perhaps)
>>>>
>>>> matching nodes and edges will allow you to find jobs, projects,
>>>> etc....(value networks .... or projects that match what you're doing)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>>>
>>>> Website: bshambaugh.org
>>>>
>>>> -Brent Shambaugh
>>>>
>>>> Website: bshambaugh.org
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 8:59 PM, NOPE9 YES <yes at nope9.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That is a great idea……
>>>>> let me know if I can help in any way.
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>>>>> On 6 Sep 2014, at 17:47, Joshua Pearce <professor.pearce at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> OSHWA creates one database to rule them all
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> folks might be interested that in the context of Fab Labs I am working
>>>>> on a system of linked open data to connect various repositories of Fab Lab
>>>>> projects
>>>>>
>>>>> currently this is specifically geared towards Fab Lab projects, but I
>>>>> think such a system could also be promoted under the auspices of OSHWA.
>>>>>
>>>>> questions and comments are welcome and anyone interested should get in
>>>>> touch with me in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> / Peter Troxler
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