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<p>Hi Marcin and all.</p>
<p>Your question is "What is the relative size of the material
economy vs information economy?". It is a nice question.</p>
<p>May I ask you this question: In information economy, there might
be journalism, advertising, training, education, advices, books,
etc ... Them, do you mean, "software" [3] instead of "information"
? (The size of software industry might be found more relatively
easily, see for example: [4])<br>
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<p>However, the only way to answer it, would be to ask to people who
have been tracking all national GDPs [1] for long. Maybe The World
Bank [2] would a great entrance. Asking to those GDP trackers if
they have already aggregated global "software economy" pack and
global "material economy" pack, would be a great idea. However,
identifying the part of software into the computer field might be
very tricky: computers are delivered with default software, but
their identification is not done.<br>
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[1]: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product</a><br>
[2]: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://databank.worldbank.org/data/home.aspx">http://databank.worldbank.org/data/home.aspx</a><br>
[3]: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software</a><br>
[4]:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_industry#Size_of_the_industry">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_industry#Size_of_the_industry</a><br>
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It is a nice question ...<br>
<br>
Love and Peace,<br>
Freely,<br>
Antoine C.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 09/02/2017 à 20:29, Matt Maier a
écrit :<br>
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<pre wrap="">And here's a new paper that was just published.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.academia.edu/31327768/Emergence_of_Home_Manufacturing_in_the_Developed_World_Return_on_Investment_for_Open-Source_3-D_Printers">https://www.academia.edu/31327768/Emergence_of_Home_Manufacturing_in_the_Developed_World_Return_on_Investment_for_Open-Source_3-D_Printers</a>
Using the LulzBot Mini once a week pays itself off in 1-3 years and a
selection of free 3D models has already saved people $4M.
On Feb 9, 2017 07:08, "Matt Maier" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:blueback09@gmail.com"><blueback09@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">Dr. Pearce's paper, Quantifying The Value Of Open Source Hardware, would
be a good start.
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://opensource.com/life/15/2/the-worth-of-open-source-hardware-design">https://opensource.com/life/15/2/the-worth-of-open-source-hardware-design</a>
On Feb 9, 2017 6:04 AM, "Tom Igoe" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tom.igoe@gmail.com"><tom.igoe@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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On Feb 9, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Jakubowski <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:marcin@opensourceecology.org">marcin@opensourceecology.org</a>> wrote:
To specify my question, I think I should be asking "What is the relative
size of the material economy vs information economy?" Is this a well-formed
question?
I understand the question, and my questions are aimed at helping to
clarify it. I don’t think it is particularly well formed, yet. At least,
not for my limited understanding of economics, because it seems to contain
a few contradictions and requires a bunch of things to be defined.
In order to evaluate it, I’d want to define what industries fall into
what sides of the question. I’d guess that it’s probably not a binary. I am
not an economist, but I can think of a few industries where it’s impossible
to tell whether they are material or information, because their money is
generated by both production & sales, and by analysis & speculation based
on data. Energy is a big one, which is why I cited it earlier. But so is
agriculture (I’m thinking about the amount of money generated by ag futures
here, for example). I’m guessing that the whole “financialization of
economies” argument is another way of saying that financiers have figured
out how to bind material and informational revenue generation together
tightly enough that it’s difficult to separate them.
I guess if I were asking the question, I’d start by asking an economist
to help shape it a bit more. The more I think about it, the less I can
separate the two.
I googled Sectors of the economy and this seems to be useful:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/12436/concepts/sectors-economy/">http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/12436/concepts/sectors-economy/</a>
1. Primary sector: raw materials.
2. Secondary sector: manufacturing, buildings, roads, and any physical
infrastructures/facilities
3. Tertiary sector: services including retail, insurance, banking,
tourism, restaurants
4. Quaternary sector: education, training, R&D
5. Quinary sector: government
1 and 2 are clearly 100% materially related. The retail part of 3 is
based primarily on natural and manufactured resources, so that is part of
the material economy. The parts of 4 that relate to material production
relate to raw materials and manufacturing. 5 is not the material economy.
My question aims at the potential economic impact of open source
hardware: is that a billion dollar startup like Google, or is it a trillion
dollar startup like nothing prior - in recorded human history?
Marcin
On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Tom Igoe <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:tom.igoe@gmail.com"><tom.igoe@gmail.com></a> wrote:
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<pre wrap="">I think you need to be more specific on that “etc” to get good numbers.
For example, is energy hardware or software? Because it’s pretty big.
Tom
On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Marcin Jakubowski <
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:marcin@opensourceecology.org">marcin@opensourceecology.org</a>> wrote:
Friends,
I'm researching the size of the hardware vs software economy. What is
the latest on the size of the hardware economy (materials, housing,
industry, ag etc) compared to the information economy (software,
information services, education, etc)?
I heard somewhere that the hardware economy is 80% of the economy. Can
anyone point me to sources?
Thanks,
Marcin
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