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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 9, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Jakubowski <<a href="mailto:marcin@opensourceecology.org" class="">marcin@opensourceecology.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">To specify my question, I think I should be asking "What is the relative size of the material economy vs information economy?" Is this a well-formed question?</div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div>I understand the question, and my questions are aimed at helping to clarify it. I don’t think it is particularly well formed, yet. At least, not for my limited understanding of economics, because it seems to contain a few contradictions and requires a bunch of things to be defined.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>In order to evaluate it, I’d want to define what industries fall into what sides of the question. I’d guess that it’s probably not a binary. I am not an economist, but I can think of a few industries where it’s impossible to tell whether they are material or information, because their money is generated by both production & sales, and by analysis & speculation based on data. Energy is a big one, which is why I cited it earlier. But so is agriculture (I’m thinking about the amount of money generated by ag futures here, for example). I’m guessing that the whole “financialization of economies” argument is another way of saying that financiers have figured out how to bind material and informational revenue generation together tightly enough that it’s difficult to separate them. </div><div><br class=""></div><div>I guess if I were asking the question, I’d start by asking an economist to help shape it a bit more. The more I think about it, the less I can separate the two.</div><div><br class=""></div><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">I googled Sectors of the economy and this seems to be useful: <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><a href="http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/12436/concepts/sectors-economy/" class="">http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/12436/concepts/sectors-economy/</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1. Primary sector: raw materials. </div><div class="">2. Secondary sector: manufacturing, buildings, roads, and any physical infrastructures/facilities</div><div class="">3. Tertiary sector: services including retail, insurance, banking, tourism, restaurants</div><div class="">4. Quaternary sector: education, training, R&D</div><div class="">5. Quinary sector: government</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">1 and 2 are clearly 100% materially related. The retail part of 3 is based primarily on natural and manufactured resources, so that is part of the material economy. The parts of 4 that relate to material production relate to raw materials and manufacturing. 5 is not the material economy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">My question aims at the potential economic impact of open source hardware: is that a billion dollar startup like Google, or is it a trillion dollar startup like nothing prior - in recorded human history?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Marcin<br class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Tom Igoe <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:tom.igoe@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">tom.igoe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">I think you need to be more specific on that “etc” to get good numbers. For example, is energy hardware or software? Because it’s pretty big.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail-h5"><div class="">On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Marcin Jakubowski <<a href="mailto:marcin@opensourceecology.org" target="_blank" class="">marcin@opensourceecology.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="gmail-m_-8588939403030754280Apple-interchange-newline"></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail-h5"><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Friends,</span><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="">I'm researching the size of the hardware vs software economy. What is the latest on the size of the hardware economy (materials, housing, industry, ag etc) compared to the information economy (software, information services, education, etc)?</div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="">I heard somewhere that the hardware economy is 80% of the economy. Can anyone point me to sources?</div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Thanks,<br class="">Marcin</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>-- <br class=""><div class="gmail-m_-8588939403030754280gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><b style="font-size:12.8px" class="">Full Disclosure:</b><span style="font-size:12.8px" class=""> OSE works openly. All conversations in this email are intended to be transparent and subject to sharing, with due respect. OSE does not sign NDAs in order to promote collaboration. All of our work is libre or open source. If you are discussing potential development collaboration, your work must also be open source pursuant to the Open Source Hardware Association </span><a href="http://www.oshwa.org/definition/" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank" class="">definition</a><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">. </span><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">See Global Village Construction Set <a href="http://www.ted.com/talks/marcin_jakubowski" target="_blank" class="">TED Talk</a>. See latest build of <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/622508883/open-building-institute-eco-building-toolkit/posts/1750160" target="_blank" class="">Seed Eco-Home</a>. Subscribe as a <a href="http://opensourceecology.org/community/#truefans" target="_blank" class="">True Fan</a>. <span style="font-size:13px" class="">See </span><a href="https://www.facebook.com/OpenSourceEcology" style="font-size:13px;color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank" class="">Facebook</a><span style="font-size:small;font-family:arial" class=""> for updates</span><span style="font-size:13px" class="">. Subscribe to monthly update <a href="http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/OSEmail" target="_blank" class="">OSEmail</a>. Donate to our <a href="http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Other_donation_options" target="_blank" class="">501(c)3</a>.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small" class="">Marcin Jakubowski, Ph.D.</span></div><div dir="ltr" class=""><span style="font-family:arial;font-size:small" class="">Executive Director</span><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small" class="">Open Source Ecology</div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small" class=""><a href="http://opensourceecology.org/" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank" class="">http://opensourceecology.org</a></div><div style="font-family:arial;font-size:small" class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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