<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Perhaps it would be useful to collate what we would ideally like to achieve with open source hardware “licenses” and then discuss how?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For example, I would like to be sure that when I release a hardware design, the condition for using it is that modifications are published under the same conditions. I do not wish to place restrictions on making money with the design.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 22 Sep 2016, at 09:33, Matt Maier <<a href="mailto:blueback09@gmail.com" class="">blueback09@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Yeah, copyright doesn't force people to do anything; worst case is it forbids people from doing things. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">And it's weird to rail against copyright from a libre perspective because copyleft, the legal precedent that allows for free/libre in the first place, wouldn't exist without copyright. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It's the courts enforcing the terms of copyleft that gives free/libre power. If you want to get rid of copyright then you'll also lose copyleft. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That's the exact challenge we have in hardware! There isn't any copyright for hardware (functional objects) so we can't use copyleft to enforce hardware licenses. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The absence of copyleft makes a domain open source by default. It's only with copyleft that free/libre can exist. You have to have the ability to get a court to issue an injunction against someone that wants to use your free/libre stuff in violation of the terms that require sharing. Without the option of getting the courts to side with you there isn't any way to enforce free/libre.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Sep 21, 2016 at 6:14 PM, Brennen Bearnes <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:bbearnes@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">bbearnes@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">Various parties wrote:<br class="">
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> > 2. Alert:<br class="">
> > Please, please, please, do not call you 3.1. section<br class="">
> > "copyright", please, oh please, let stop this, please really<br class="">
> > please Wouter, not for a european paper, please please please<br class="">
> > Wouter. Please find an other term like "right of authorship",<br class="">
> > or "right of intellectual property",<br class="">
><br class="">
> NO. the concept of "intelligence as property" is both fake,<br class="">
> misleading, and utterly arrogant. how DARE you claim that you can<br class="">
> ENSLAVE ME through OWNERSHIP of the intelligence within MY mind<br class="">
> that is my BIRTHRIGHT.<br class="">
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</span>It kind of seems like this rhetorical mode might not be doing us<br class="">
any favors.<br class="">
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-- bpb<br class="">
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