<div dir="ltr">Update: turned out, occam's razor, it was a simple case of confusing the certification for the license. See my previous email when it gets released from moderation :)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="2"><font color="#666666">~~~<br></font></font><a href="http://www.orangenarwhals.com" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" target="_blank">my personal blog</a><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-size:12.8000001907349px">, orangenarwhals</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 11:51 AM, Nancy Ouyang <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:nouyang@mit.edu" target="_blank">nouyang@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Update: I emailed and got an awesome reply -- here are the relevant complaints. <div>Happy to "user interview" more to understand where the <b>misconceptions</b> arose:<br style="font-size:12.8px"><br style="font-size:12.8px"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span style="font-size:12.8px">My beef with the OSHW license is that if you license something as OSHW<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">under that license, you don't get anything. It doesn't add anything to<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">the technical work, it doesn't get you funding, etc. At the same time,<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">if you fail to comply with the licensing requirements, they list an<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">escalating scale of penalties<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">(</span><a href="http://www.oshwa.org/2015/09/19/open-source-hardware-certification-version-1/" rel="noreferrer" style="font-size:12.8px" target="_blank">http://www.oshwa.org/2015/09/19/open-source-hardware-certification-version-1/<br></a><span style="font-size:12.8px">, bottom of the page) they intend to impose on non-complying projects.<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">So in exchange for nothing, you can get penalties. This is not<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">something I want to be on the receiving end of, so I'm explicitly not<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">using that licensing.</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Of course, I'd be happy if people adopted, copied, even sold the<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">hardware (then I could buy it instead of making it myself :-), so I<br></span><span style="font-size:12.8px">publish all the docs and whatnot, and encourage their use.</span></blockquote><div><br></div><div><b>I spot a two key misconceptions:</b></div><div>1) license = certification</div><div>2) you are stuck in the certificaiton program and can't "leave at any time" to avoid penalties</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font size="2"><font color="#666666">~~~<br><a href="http://narwhaledu.org" target="_blank">narwhaledu.org</a>, educational <a href="http://gfycat.com/ExcitableLeanAkitainu" target="_blank">robots</a> [[<(._.)>]] </font></font><a href="http://www.orangenarwhals.com" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" target="_blank">my personal blog</a><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-size:12.8000001907349px">, orangenarwhals</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></span></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div class="h5">On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 7:27 PM, Matt Joyce <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div class="h5"><div>GPL v3 is specifically 'viral'. In so far as it infects attached / derivative code. Different issue. I would think.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div>On July 3, 2016 5:44:08 PM EDT, "j. eric townsend" <<a href="mailto:jet@functionalprototype.com" target="_blank">jet@functionalprototype.com</a>> wrote:</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div>
<pre><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 1ex 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid #729fcf;padding-left:1ex"> On Jul 3, 2016, at 01:56, Nancy Ouyang <<a href="mailto:nancy.ouyang@gmail.com" target="_blank">nancy.ouyang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br> <br> Err, was more wondering about the last phrase, "the only thing that certification adds to a project is increased liability to civil suits," which I'm sure is a very unflattering portrayal of the value that certification adds, unless I'm very confused.<br></blockquote><br>Two disclaimers:<br><br>- I am not a lawyer and this is not legal opinion.<br><br>- I worked at TiVo for 10 years (left several years ago) and had the previous disclaimer pounded in to my thick skull. :-)<br><br>Based on the confusion I’ve seen with lawyers, GPL v3, and using emacs to write software I suspect there might be a fear (without standing?) that open source software + commercial hardware can somehow create an open source hardware product. I have rec
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legal instruction from a potential client to not use any GPL v3 software — not even emacs to edit text files — on their project because their fear it would make their product also GPL v3. (I ended up not taking that contract.)<br><br>That sounded a bit odd to me at the time, but Apple is cleaning v3 (and v2) software from each release of OS X:<br><<a href="http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge" target="_blank">http://meta.ath0.com/2012/02/05/apples-great-gpl-purge</a>/>.<br><br>--<br>J. Eric Townsend, IDSA<br>designer | engineer | fabricator<br><a href="mailto:jet@functionalprototype.com" target="_blank">jet@functionalprototype.com</a><br>PGP 0x9D6F2CB8<br><br></pre><p style="margin-top:2.5em;margin-bottom:1em;border-bottom:1px solid #000"></p></div></div><span><pre><hr><br>discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss</a><br></pre></span></blockquote></div><span><font color="#888888"><br>
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