<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Haven’t seen a circuit CAD program yet that *didn’t* have UI issues. It’s not been a priority for circuit CAD software, I guess. Maybe it's a good opportunity for UI/UX designers who want to get involved in OSS.<div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
<div class="">Tom</div>
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 6, 2016, at 8:28 AM, Nancy Ouyang <<a href="mailto:nancy.ouyang@gmail.com" class="">nancy.ouyang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">Did someone say UI critiques and user documentation in the same thread</p><p dir="ltr" class="">I'll try using kicad this weekend, haven't made a board in two years hence why I'm talking about diptrace and haven't used kicad yet</p><p dir="ltr" class="">I'll write it up too :3</p><p dir="ltr" class="">Enthusiastically,<br class="">
Nancy</p><p dir="ltr" class="">(only semi relatedly, osmand is already so much more full featured and usable offline than Google Maps, but they have some major ui issues :/)</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 6, 2016 8:03 AM, "Tom Igoe" <<a href="mailto:tom.igoe@gmail.com" class="">tom.igoe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Thanks Javier,<br class="">
<br class="">
For those who’ve been hooked on Eagle forever, is there a guide to transitioning to Kicad available anywhere? Perhaps instructions on converting your libraries, or what to look out for when migrating a project from Eagle to Kicad? I think for many people, the desire to do the open-source thing is only going to take them part of the way. Instructions and guides and easy translation are a big help too.<br class="">
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Tom<br class="">
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> On Jul 6, 2016, at 4:11 AM, Javier Serrano <<a href="mailto:Javier.Serrano@cern.ch" class="">Javier.Serrano@cern.ch</a>> wrote:<br class="">
><br class="">
> [[not sure I have the right to send email to all these lists, giving it<br class="">
> a try anyway]]<br class="">
><br class="">
> On 07/06/2016 05:45 AM, Nancy Ouyang wrote:<br class="">
>> lolwut. Autodesk bought Eagle?!<br class="">
>> <a href="https://blog.adafruit.com/2016/07/05/exclusive-interview-with-autodesk-about-the-cadsoft-eagle-purchase-autodesk-cadsofttech-technolomaniac/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">https://blog.adafruit.com/2016/07/05/exclusive-interview-with-autodesk-about-the-cadsoft-eagle-purchase-autodesk-cadsofttech-technolomaniac/</a><br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks for the link!<br class="">
><br class="">
>> yay for free 6 layer!<br class="">
><br class="">
> Free as in beer "to students and faculty for non-commercial work."<br class="">
><br class="">
>> in other words, go KiCAD go! i'm rooting for you :3<br class="">
><br class="">
> Thanks! The KiCad [1] project leader, Wayne Stambaugh, is actually<br class="">
> spending this week with us at CERN, working with 5 other people in what<br class="">
> turned out to be an improvised KiCad mini-hackathon. In my view, the<br class="">
> reasons to use Eagle over KiCad have very quickly shrunk to zero. As we<br class="">
> are preparing the roadmap for the next stable release, I would be very<br class="">
> interested in people's opinions about missing features and UI quirks in<br class="">
> KiCad.<br class="">
><br class="">
> We are also seeing a slow-but-steady increase in the number of people<br class="">
> who volunteer to contribute to KiCad development. If anybody here would<br class="">
> like to participate, please email me off list. We can use all sorts of<br class="">
> help, not only software development. For example, I think we could<br class="">
> really do with a user experience (UX) person. PCB fab houses also tell<br class="">
> us they get more and more KiCad files, and some are asking how they can<br class="">
> help.<br class="">
><br class="">
> For those of you new to the subject: the big difference between KiCad<br class="">
> and Eagle is that KiCad is Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) [2].<br class="">
> KiCad gives you the same type of freedoms on your software as the ones<br class="">
> you get in hardware when you use a licence compliant with the OSHW<br class="">
> definition. In particular, there is no constraint on your ability to<br class="">
> copy, distribute and modify the software as much as you want. In my<br class="">
> opinion, a FOSS toolset is key to OSHW development. Only with a good<br class="">
> FOSS toolset you can guarantee that anybody will be able to open, modify<br class="">
> and share back your design files now and in the future, without any<br class="">
> artificial constraint. An open file format is only a step in the right<br class="">
> direction, and you get that necessarily with any FOSS tool.<br class="">
><br class="">
> If you are less into freedom and more into features, I invite you to<br class="">
> compare the feature list. One example: 6 layers free for students and<br class="">
> faculty for non-commercial work vs. 32 layers free for everyone to do<br class="">
> whatever they like, including of course commercial work.<br class="">
><br class="">
> I think it's a matter of time until most OSHW work gets done using FOSS<br class="">
> tools. The question is how long it will take. Please help us so this can<br class="">
> happen sooner rather than later!<br class="">
><br class="">
> Cheers,<br class="">
><br class="">
> Javier<br class="">
><br class="">
> [1] <a href="http://kicad-pcb.org/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" class="">http://kicad-pcb.org/</a><br class="">
> [2] GEDA is another example of a FOSS EDA tool.<br class="">
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