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It seems not really clear to get information about the way the
author choose to get what he/she declared to happen: "This project
is open source in the sense that I legally permit people to do
whatever they want with the source code, design drawings, etc":
indeed, licence information seems not available, don't it ?<br>
It sounds a bit like a WTFYW "posture": no information on legal
basis, means people will use it at they own risk, and then they will
not be able to play against the author. <br>
It seems the OSHWA "certification" process has been played well in
this case: the author seemed to prefer to declare to not play
certification, instead of declaring playing it but without
respecting it. Maybe there was too much to lose to play
certification compared to the gain: too much efforts to reach the
requirements, or impossibility to reach the requirements because the
basis on which this "creation" is delivered, are not valid, or
difficult to be valid.<br>
Who knows ...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 03/07/2016 22:45, Emilio Velis a
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<div dir="ltr">Definitely. I'm curious on hearing opinions about
how a certification can have a legal weight. I don't think that
this is the case regarding intellectual property law, but I'd be
really, really interested to know if there are any implications.
This could actually be very beneficial to OSHWA.<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 3 July 2016 at 10:38, Jeffrey Warren
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<p dir="ltr">I'd be curious to hear too, maybe they mean
that if they self-certify in the program, then violate the
requirements, that they'd face compliance penalties? But
those are not civil lawsuits, and they could be avoided
simply by withdrawing from the program. It's pretty
straightforward, so more info from them would be helpful.
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<p dir="ltr">It's also a little frustrating, of course, to
hear an unsupported opinion (esp. the "only" part) like
that included as if it were somehow incontrovertible or
self-evident, as I'd love to see more discussion instead
of FUD. In any case, they should also be aware that they
can of course be compliant with the open hardware
definition (and so be "open hardware") without being in
the certification program. </p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 3, 2016 12:22 PM,
"Emilio Velis" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<div dir="ltr">I wonder about that statement too.
Good catch, Nancy. I don't understand what kinds
of civil lawsuits the person refers to. Perhaps if
we write them they can explain it a bit
further...?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 2 July 2016 at 23:56,
Nancy Ouyang <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<p dir="ltr">Err, was more wondering about
the last phrase, "<span>the only thing
that certification adds to a project is
increased liability to civil suits,"
which I'm sure is a very unflattering
portrayal of the value that
certification adds, unless I'm very
confused.</span></p>
<p><span>Thanks,</span></p>
<p><span>--Nancy</span></p>
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12:45 PM, "Matt Maier" <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Everything is
"explicitly not compliant" with
the OSHWA certification by
default. You have to opt-in.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat,
Jul 2, 2016 at 7:48 PM, Nancy
Ouyang <span dir="ltr"><<a
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target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nancy.ouyang@gmail.com">nancy.ouyang@gmail.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div>"This project is open
source in the sense that I
legally permit people to
do whatever they want with
the source code, design
drawings, etc.; and in the
sense that I provide that
information for them to do
what they want. It is
EXPLICITLY NOT COMPLIANT
with the OSHWA
Certification. It never
will be, because the only
thing that certification
adds to a project is
increased liability to
civil suits. "</div>
<div><span><u><a
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href="https://github.com/ab3nd/TinyRobo#oshw" target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://github.com/ab3nd/TinyRobo#oshw">https://github.com/ab3nd/TinyRobo#oshw</a></a></u></span><br>
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<div>Is this simply a
complaint about copyleft
vs public domain, or is
there more to it? Haven't
been following the
certification draft
(beta?) discussion, sorry
-- does anyone have a
link? skimmed <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://oshwa.org/"
target="_blank">oshwa.org</a> and
didn't see anything in
particular (though saw a
discussion about the
design of the mark i
think)</div>
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<div>thanks,</div>
<div>--nancy</div>
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