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    Been following this thread with interest.<br>
    Thanks Franz for the austrian news. It's interesting as i've been in
    contact with university of Buenos Aires, Industrial Design career,
    assisting with a small presentation related to efficient stoves, as
    part of a yearly work of the students, which finished in 25
    beautiful and original woodfuel kitchens ranges being lit at once in
    a parking lot, cooking meal, as a final test. <br>
    It was pyros paradise.<br>
    <br>
    Turned out all those designs finished in the shadow of a drawer, or
    handed to the owner of a shop, to be sold as intellectual property.
    But none of them as Open Source. Year after year the same ritual is
    repeated. Massive quantities of beautiful design goes mostly
    nowhere. <br>
    <br>
    Will try to translate that article. Already tried google translate,
    and the result is not good.<br>
    <br>
    If interested in the kitchens designed, this is the album: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://web.facebook.com/pablo.ok.9/media_set?set=a.888144621240917.1073741883.100001361631087&type=3">https://web.facebook.com/pablo.ok.9/media_set?set=a.888144621240917.1073741883.100001361631087&type=3</a><br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/02/2016 08:54 p.m., Franz Nahrada
      wrote:<br>
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          style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Arial">One idea that I have is
          to raise voices in the community of people with some
          multiplying influence or reputation.</font></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Arial">I am sure that Envienta
          does not want to enter the scene with bad reputation.</font></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Arial">I suggest to write a
          short draft letter stating in a very friendly way that Open
          Source Ecology is widely recognized and "branded" as the
          original work of Marcin Jakubowski, which is more real and
          substantial to me than to stress an Open Source definition
          which is as you write not shared by the general public.</font></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">Franz Nahrada</font></div>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">Global Villages
          Network</font></div>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">Vienna, Austria</font></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">by the way, on the
          side: in Austria we are having a very nice "scandal" about a
          university (TU Wien) which decided to protect students designs
          for refugee housing with a true Open Source License. The
          professional chamber of Architects lamented that this means
          "ruining the profession" and they sparked a public debate ...</font></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">for those fluent in
          German its a bounty:  <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://derstandard.at/2000031774902/Architekten-Protest-gegen-TU-Lehrveranstaltung"
            target="_blank">http://derstandard.at/2000031774902/Architekten-Protest-gegen-TU-Lehrveranstaltung</a></font></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">"First they ignore
          you, then they fight you, and then you have won".</font></div>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
          style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
          size="+0" color="#000000" face="Arial"><b>The Open Source
            Hardware Association Discussion List <<a
              moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a></a>>
            schreibt:</b></font></div>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><span
          style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
            style="font-family:Times New
            Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
            color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Thanks for the
            feedback. I will assume that Envienta is not operating
            maliciously and request that they do not use Open Source
            Ecology - in good faith, as team players. </font></span></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><span
          style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
            style="font-family:Times New
            Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
            color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">The intent of OSE
            applying the Open Source Ecology trademark was to prevent
            anyone from blatantly misusing the Open Source Ecology term
            - such as by using Open Source Ecology to refer to projects
            that do not meet the open source definition. Envienta
            appears to be using </font></span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Why_OSE_Doesn%27t_Support_the_Use_of_Creative_Commons_Non-Commercial_Licenses"
          target="_blank"><span style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
              style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt;"
              size="+0" face="Times New Roman">NC</font></span></a><span
          style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
            style="font-family:Times New
            Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
            color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">, which is not an
            open source pursuant to the open source
            definition.</font></span></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><span
          style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
            style="font-family:Times New
            Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
            color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">This is fuzzy
            territory, because few people understand that Open Source
            has a rigorous definition from </font></span><a
          moz-do-not-send="true"
          href="https://opensource.org/osd-annotated" target="_blank"><span
            style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
              style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt;"
              size="+0" face="Times New Roman">OSI</font></span></a><span
          style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
            style="font-family:Times New
            Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
            color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"> and </font></span><a
          moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.oshwa.org/definition/"
          target="_blank"><span style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
              style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt;"
              size="+0" face="Times New Roman">OSHWA</font></span></a><span
          style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
            style="font-family:Times New
            Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
            color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"> that means beyond
            'something cool.' </font></span></div>
      <br>
      <div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><span
          style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
            style="font-family:Times New
            Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
            color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Perhaps the 'friendly
            reminder' could serve as a starting point of discussion on
            these issues, and I'm sure many people will take the
            discussion in good faith.</font></span></div>
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