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Been following this thread with interest.<br>
Thanks Franz for the austrian news. It's interesting as i've been in
contact with university of Buenos Aires, Industrial Design career,
assisting with a small presentation related to efficient stoves, as
part of a yearly work of the students, which finished in 25
beautiful and original woodfuel kitchens ranges being lit at once in
a parking lot, cooking meal, as a final test. <br>
It was pyros paradise.<br>
<br>
Turned out all those designs finished in the shadow of a drawer, or
handed to the owner of a shop, to be sold as intellectual property.
But none of them as Open Source. Year after year the same ritual is
repeated. Massive quantities of beautiful design goes mostly
nowhere. <br>
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Will try to translate that article. Already tried google translate,
and the result is not good.<br>
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If interested in the kitchens designed, this is the album: <br>
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://web.facebook.com/pablo.ok.9/media_set?set=a.888144621240917.1073741883.100001361631087&type=3">https://web.facebook.com/pablo.ok.9/media_set?set=a.888144621240917.1073741883.100001361631087&type=3</a><br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 29/02/2016 08:54 p.m., Franz Nahrada
wrote:<br>
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<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Arial">One idea that I have is
to raise voices in the community of people with some
multiplying influence or reputation.</font></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Arial">I am sure that Envienta
does not want to enter the scene with bad reputation.</font></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Arial">I suggest to write a
short draft letter stating in a very friendly way that Open
Source Ecology is widely recognized and "branded" as the
original work of Marcin Jakubowski, which is more real and
substantial to me than to stress an Open Source definition
which is as you write not shared by the general public.</font></div>
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<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">Franz Nahrada</font></div>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">Global Villages
Network</font></div>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">Vienna, Austria</font></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">by the way, on the
side: in Austria we are having a very nice "scandal" about a
university (TU Wien) which decided to protect students designs
for refugee housing with a true Open Source License. The
professional chamber of Architects lamented that this means
"ruining the profession" and they sparked a public debate ...</font></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">for those fluent in
German its a bounty: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://derstandard.at/2000031774902/Architekten-Protest-gegen-TU-Lehrveranstaltung"
target="_blank">http://derstandard.at/2000031774902/Architekten-Protest-gegen-TU-Lehrveranstaltung</a></font></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Geneva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Geneva">"First they ignore
you, then they fight you, and then you have won".</font></div>
<br>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><font
style="font-family:Arial;font-size:10pt;color:#000000;"
size="+0" color="#000000" face="Arial"><b>The Open Source
Hardware Association Discussion List <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a></a>>
schreibt:</b></font></div>
<br>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><span
style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New
Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Thanks for the
feedback. I will assume that Envienta is not operating
maliciously and request that they do not use Open Source
Ecology - in good faith, as team players. </font></span></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><span
style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New
Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">The intent of OSE
applying the Open Source Ecology trademark was to prevent
anyone from blatantly misusing the Open Source Ecology term
- such as by using Open Source Ecology to refer to projects
that do not meet the open source definition. Envienta
appears to be using </font></span><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://opensourceecology.org/wiki/Why_OSE_Doesn%27t_Support_the_Use_of_Creative_Commons_Non-Commercial_Licenses"
target="_blank"><span style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt;"
size="+0" face="Times New Roman">NC</font></span></a><span
style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New
Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">, which is not an
open source pursuant to the open source
definition.</font></span></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><span
style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New
Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">This is fuzzy
territory, because few people understand that Open Source
has a rigorous definition from </font></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://opensource.org/osd-annotated" target="_blank"><span
style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt;"
size="+0" face="Times New Roman">OSI</font></span></a><span
style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New
Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"> and </font></span><a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.oshwa.org/definition/"
target="_blank"><span style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New Roman;font-size:12pt;"
size="+0" face="Times New Roman">OSHWA</font></span></a><span
style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New
Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman"> that means beyond
'something cool.' </font></span></div>
<br>
<div style="text-align:left;" align="left"><span
style="background-color:#d0d0d0;"><font
style="font-family:Times New
Roman;font-size:12pt;color:#000000;" size="+0"
color="#000000" face="Times New Roman">Perhaps the 'friendly
reminder' could serve as a starting point of discussion on
these issues, and I'm sure many people will take the
discussion in good faith.</font></span></div>
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