<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>Hi everybody, I'm all in for OSHW and I hate anyone using the image of a community to promote stuff, but I didn't like the tone of the letter. I don't think that threatening people is a good way to get what we want. From what I see here, no one batted an eye when people agreed that GPS, GSM and all sort of modules are ok to use on OSHW designs, even if they are black boxes, but now we're bashing Intel for the same thing. <br>I think that even if Intel released their Altium design files, they would still be borderline compliant because Altium is commercial, so why bother? Sure, they could have designed it with kicad, but IMHO kikad is not complete enough for Intel's (industrial) designs (or else everyone would use it and Altium would go bankrupt).<br></div>So, given the GPS module "agreement", I think that Intel could just release the docking boards design files to be able to say that they are compliant.<br></div>I don't understand the point of the footnote either; what's the matter with Solidworks in this discussion??? Am I missing something? Aren't they free to make a commercial product and sell it?<br></div><br></div><div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">2015-03-06 4:42 GMT+01:00 Jeffrey Warren <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeff@publiclab.org" target="_blank">jeff@publiclab.org</a>></span>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">+1 w Nancy and +1 letter!</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 5, 2015 8:23 PM, "Nancy Ouyang" <<a href="mailto:nancy.ouyang@gmail.com" target="_blank">nancy.ouyang@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Re: Galileo, Why can't they just stay away from the words "open source hardware"? I don't understand what's so blinking hard about that. <div><br></div><div>I'm fine with Edison being closed-source and Intel protecting something they spent a lot of resources on. That's because they<b> don't claim it's open source hardware</b>.<div><br></div><div>Sure, I'm drafting a letter. I'm working on etherpad and will ask for help editing soon.</div><div><a href="http://etherpad.mit.edu/p/oshw-may-2015" target="_blank">http://etherpad.mit.edu/p/oshw-may-2015</a><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><font><font color="#666666">~~~<br><a href="http://narwhaledu.com" target="_blank">narwhaledu.com</a>, educational <a href="http://gfycat.com/ExcitableLeanAkitainu" target="_blank">robots</a> [[<(._.)>]] </font></font><a href="http://www.orangenarwhals.com" style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" target="_blank">my personal blog</a><span style="color:rgb(102,102,102);font-size:12.8000001907349px">, orangenarwhals</span></div><div><font color="#666666"><a href="http://arvados.org" target="_blank">arvados.org</a> (open source software for provenance, reproducing, and scaling your analyses)</font></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Hunter, Seth E <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:seth.e.hunter@intel.com" target="_blank">seth.e.hunter@intel.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Here are the Edison Source files they provide:
<a href="http://www.intel.com/support/maker/edison.htm" target="_blank">http://www.intel.com/support/maker/edison.htm</a> The Edison unit is closed – but everything around it should be well documented. I think the reason is that the SOC and Edison package is a 9 layer board
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">What I want to figure out is if you can convert an Allegro and Orcad files into a format that makers can work with.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Regarding Galileo here is what I could find:
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https://communities.intel.com/community/makers/galileo/documentation/galileodocuments</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Galileo gen 2:
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https://communities.intel.com/community/makers/galileo/documentation/intel-galileo-gen-2-development-board-documents</a>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">What’s weird is that at one point I downloaded the board files for Galileo Gen 1 to try and understand if makers/developers could use them to go to product
with the Quark SOC – and they were on the web and easy to find.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I don’t work directly with the software groups that make these boards but I’ve gotten to know their org fairly well. We are trying to find a way to gently push
them towards OSH standards. If folks can send me feedback about this I’ll gather it together to see where these products are with regard to the checklists – I’m not sure if anyone has ever done this… but it would be useful to present that information to the
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> <a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@lists.oshwa.org</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss-bounces@lists.oshwa.org</a>]
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