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    On the validation via a community or a specific group of people,
    maybe the initial open community can provide a seedstock to raise
    educated people to form a later trusted group of people that gives
    an ulterior certification.<br>
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    PD: Had to search JSON. <br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/02/2015 08:00 p.m., Mario Gómez
      wrote:<br>
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          <div>@jeff:<br>
            <br>
            That's great! It can even work both ways: If you already
            have a JSON you can provide the URL to automatically
            calculate the indicator for your project and vice versa: if
            you complete the questionnaire it could automatically
            generate the JSON file that you can include in your project
            as you propose that would be easy to do.<br>
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          <div>Sadly I'm a little busy this week but let me see if I can
            program a functional prototype so we can experiment how it
            could work for the next month. (<span id="result_box"
              class="" lang="en"><span class="">I would not mind</span>
              <span class="">if someone</span> else <span class="">wants
                to help)</span></span></div>
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            @Javier:<br>
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          <div>I personally like the idea of the community, because if
            the process is straight forward, verifiable and transparent
            what matters is the result of the evaluation system and not
            the person/group of persons doing the evaluation. This is
            assuming that the evaluation system provides means to
            minimize/prevent abuses (That's why I consider important to
            also implementing a meta-evaluation system).<br>
            <br>
            However... being certified from a trusted group of people
            it's really important and I think that the OSHWA could be an
            appropriate group to do that. But let's hear more opinions,
            I think that it's possible to build something simple that
            helps people to follow the OSHW philosophy in their
            projects.<br>
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            Regards,<br>
            Mario.<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:54 PM,
          Jeffrey Warren <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:jeff@publiclab.org" target="_blank">jeff@publiclab.org</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">I really like this idea! 
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              <div>Somewhat related is this idea from chatting with
                Alicia Gibb a few months ago, of a contributors.json
                file which would fulfill (with links, short
                descriptions, etc) all the terms of the OSH definition. </div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>I finally typed up the idea and our sample format
                here:</div>
              <div><br>
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              <div><a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://publiclab.org/notes/warren/02-24-2015/standardizing-open-source-hardware-publication-practices-with-contributors-json"
                  target="_blank">http://publiclab.org/notes/warren/02-24-2015/standardizing-open-source-hardware-publication-practices-with-contributors-json</a><br>
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              <div>Love to hear input. Perhaps the questionnaire could
                generate such a file. At Public Lab, it'd be interesting
                for the file to be auto-generated from our tool wiki
                pages. The nice part about it is that it's not
                specifying a way of browsing or aggregating projects (as
                other folks are exploring that space) but specifies a
                standard way to make the relevant/required information
                available for such projects to scrape/consume. Also,
                it's easy enough to write by hand and include in a
                github repository. </div>
              <div><br>
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              <div>Best,</div>
              <div>Jeff</div>
              <div><br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Feb 24, 2015 at 3:55
                    PM, Javier Serrano <span dir="ltr"><<a
                        moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="mailto:Javier.Serrano@cern.ch"
                        target="_blank">Javier.Serrano@cern.ch</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
                    <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
                      .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Mario,
                      I think this is a great idea. I see this can play
                      a role in the<br>
                      solution to one of the biggest problems of OSHW:
                      how to make sure<br>
                      developers have more incentives to publish their
                      work. Economic<br>
                      incentives in particular. An OSHW label could give
                      (more) prestige to<br>
                      developers who hold it and induce purchaser-driven
                      growth of OSHW. We<br>
                      are already seeing that prestige is a big element
                      in the success of OSHW<br>
                      companies. A well advertised and supported label
                      or mark could enlarge<br>
                      the population of savvy customers.<br>
                      <span><br>
                        On 02/24/2015 05:58 PM, Mario Gómez wrote:<br>
                        > The idea is that the community validates if
                        you are telling the  truth.<br>
                        > To prevent abuse a meta-validation system
                        could be implemented were you<br>
                        > can "evaluate the evaluators" to see if
                        their are being fair on their<br>
                        > evaluations.<br>
                        <br>
                      </span>One alternative is to entrust the OSHWA
                      with that role. "Community" is a<br>
                      vague term. If I have to trust someone on whether
                      a piece of software is<br>
                      free software I will trust the FSF over the
                      "community" any day. One way<br>
                      of doing it would be through a creative use of
                      marks or labels, in the<br>
                      vein of what OHANDA [1] proposes. See also the
                      work of the Wikimedia<br>
                      Foundation [2] in this regard. In this scenario,
                      developers have a<br>
                      natural incentive to not misuse the mark, because
                      they can be sued with<br>
                      all the arsenal of trademark law if they do.<br>
                      <br>
                      Cheers,<br>
                      <br>
                      Javier<br>
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                      [1] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://www.ohanda.org/" target="_blank">http://www.ohanda.org/</a><br>
                      [2] <a moz-do-not-send="true"
                        href="http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy"
                        target="_blank">http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Trademark_policy</a><br>
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