<div>I think the bigger problem will be patenting of something which is "slightly" different from what's already public. That way even a proactive defense wouldn't be able to stop the patent. Once a patent exists it can be asserted against anything that remotely resembles it and it's up to the accused party to defend themselves. The patent, or the case, could very well be judged invalid, but that wouldn't do anything about all of the time and money required to get to that judgment. </div>
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<div>Correct me if I'm wrong. That's my understanding of how patent law (in the US) works and the primary loophole that can (will) cause problems for open source hardware in the future.<br><br></div>
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<div dir="ltr">and +1 again. At least in theory, being published should prevent things from being patented. And (depending on your definition of derived), things that build off of something in the public domain can be patented. But so can things that build off existing patents.<br>
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<div dir="ltr">+1 one that. Defensive patent licensing is a great idea, but finding the patents can be complicated. <br></div>
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<div dir="ltr">If you <i>have</i> patents, then yes, I think these systems are excellent for open sourcing your patent. I think the aspect missing is many oshw companies do not want to go through the hassle of getting the patent.
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<div>Can we apply this same framework to protect open source hardware? It seems like patents are even more important to the hardware side of open source, since they're technically the only thing that speaks to control of the physical items.</div>
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<div>"The two patent pool projects concerned here--open source's shining knights in armor--are the <a href="http://www.patent-commons.org/" target="_blank">Patent Commons Project</a> and the <a href="http://www.openinventionnetwork.com/" target="_blank">Open Invention Network</a>. The basic idea is to use the patent system the way companies and inventors have used it from the start: to cross-license patents and use patents defensively so they aren't sued out of existence"</div>
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<div>Until now, there was no prize for doing open source; you didn't get back anything in return...Now it's different. Open source your software, and you get protection. Individual developers or small software houses that always had to worry about patent lawsuits can now worry a bit less--but only if they play the open-source game...Managers who always asked "What do we get for open-sourcing besides good will?" now have a concrete answer: there will be a lot of legal muscle at their disposal."</div>
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<div>"If large legal resources are available to anyone open-sourcing his or her software, it suddenly becomes critical to define open source precisely...Amazingly, I have not been able to find anywhere--on the web sites of the Patent Commons Project and the Open Invention Network or among any of the commentators--a definition of open source."</div>
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