<div dir="ltr">Hey <div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333015441895px"> I'm wondering how we might start to discuss some of these international differences? </span><br></div><div>I can see that there could be a potential google hangout meetup to brainstorm some of these legal differences regarding <span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333015441895px">Intelectual Property & Copyrights, </span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13.333333015441895px">Patents, and </span><span style="font-size:13.333333015441895px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Import/Export controls & regulations. </span></div>
<div><span style="font-size:13.333333015441895px;font-family:arial,sans-serif">Or we can start a more comprehensive forum or something. </span>Or just keep discussing here, but I am curious some of the details around the differences about how each country handles these, but don't know where to go for resources, </div>
<div><br></div><div>what are your guys' thoughts for starting/continuing this discussion? </div><div>gabriella</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Mario Gómez <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mxgxw.alpha@gmail.com" target="_blank">mxgxw.alpha@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div>I think that would be a great idea!<br><br></div>I would say that OSHW is in a "legal limbo" in many countries including ours. For example: here you cannot have copyright over design files for devices. Things like schematics, mechanical drawings, PCB designs, blueprints, etc. simply cannot be copyrighted. The only exception to the rule are architectural designs because they are considered more like an "artistic expression" of the author.<br>
<br></div>Our law it's pretty clear on the topic that the only way to protect specific implementations for devices are patents. Something like the defensive patent license could make sense here but it means that you have to do all the paperwork (and pay the respective fees) to patent your device to be able to license it (without considering the legal paper work and costs associated to license your patent to a third party).<br>
<br></div>The other problem is that patents cover only specific implementations, this is completly incompatible with the always-changing nature of the open source (software or hardware).<br><br></div><div>I would say that there are a couple really important topics that need to be considered when finding legal advice:<br>
<br></div><div>-Intelectual Property & Copyrights<br></div><div>-Patents<br></div><div>-Import/Export controls & regulations<br></div><div><br><br></div><div>I'm not a lawyer but it's not hard to see that there are really significative differences on how each country handles each of this topics, it would be really interesting to expand this discussión to include lawyers from other countries with the objetive to find simmilitudes/differences between the different legal frameworks.<br>
<br>Regards,<br>Mario.<br></div><div><div class="h5"><div><div><br><br><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 2:07 PM, Emilio Velis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:contacto@emiliovelis.com" target="_blank">contacto@emiliovelis.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>After something like this, it would be nice to find converging lines among people in other regions.<br>
<br>Do you have more contacts outside the United States? Althought some of us aren't lawyers, I think it would be nice to organize hangouts to discuss issues such as these and invite experts from different regions to find the possibility to replicate some of the efforts you're doing worldwide. Let us know if you're interested, I know for sure that Mario Gómez and I would be delighted to participate in something like this.<br>
<br></div>Perhaps it won't happen in the near future, but it would be nice to keep that possibility open.<br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 December 2013 10:49, alicia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amgibb@gmail.com" target="_blank">amgibb@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Yes, definitely all the legal professionals in the room were American. I will add this at the bottom in the disclaimers. <div>
<br></div><div>Thanks, </div><span><font color="#888888"><div>Alicia </div></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 7:19 AM, FREE SMALL WIND TURBINE PROJECT PEOPLE <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:smallwindturbineproj.contactor@gmail.com" target="_blank">smallwindturbineproj.contactor@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Thank you Alicia.<br></div><div>It a huge job. Bravo !<br><br></div>However, may we suggest you to modify "just a little" some parts of your blog post, concerning the "copyright and patent" section ?<br>
</div><div>The analysis seems delivered across US (or US-like) copyright and patent concept. Maybe you should insist the copyright and patent analysis might not match with some world regions. Then, insisting on this, might avoid wrong reasoning for places where the US (or US-like) copyright concept is not (fortunately yet) completely valid.<br>
</div><div>To better understand why, by a based-on-written-law country example, you will maybe interested in reading the following links - remember, there are also a lot of other regions where the law is oral and ownership is only valid across oral (or also "signs without any world at all") decisions : <br>
<br><a href="http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_52" target="_blank">http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_52</a><br></div><div>and also:<br><a href="http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_46" target="_blank">http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_46</a><br>
<a href="http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_48" target="_blank">http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_48</a><br>
<a href="http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_49" target="_blank">http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_49</a><br><br></div><div>Again, copyright term internationalization comes from a US industrial export spreading - by negotiation state by state region by region - and might (already have) generate(d) a US supremacy above copyleft practices and local culrure - where ownership is part of long ancestral culture evolution - whatever this supremacy is bad or good - the notion of bad or good is not the purpose here, but we might consider that people should be aware about this, if relevant - if so, we might think of it, might we ?<br>
<br></div><div>Freely<br></div><div>Antoine<br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2013/12/6 alicia <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:amgibb@gmail.com" target="_blank">amgibb@gmail.com</a>></span><br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div><div><div dir="ltr">Hey all,<div>We wrote up the notes from the Legal Day in NYC as a blog post. We hope you find it useful:</div>
<div><a href="http://www.oshwa.org/2013/12/05/open-hardware-legal-meetup-nyu-nov-11/" target="_blank">http://www.oshwa.org/2013/12/05/open-hardware-legal-meetup-nyu-nov-11/</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div>We hope to have more of these in the future with larger rooms to accommodate more participants!</div><div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div><div>Alicia </div></div>
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