<div dir="ltr"><div>It's true. Now $200,000 is the only thing between you and your own metal gun. <br><br>Oh. Wait.<br><br></div>(sorry, I know I'm overly jaded about these 3D printed gun stories)<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 2:54 PM, J. Simmons <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jrs@mach30.org" target="_blank">jrs@mach30.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir="ltr">I haven't had time to watch the video, but I just saw this on Mashable. Apparently someone 3D printed an all metal gun.<div><br></div><div><a href="http://mashable.com/2013/11/11/3d-printed-metal-gun/?utm_cid=mash-com-g+-main-link" target="_blank">http://mashable.com/2013/11/11/3d-printed-metal-gun/?utm_cid=mash-com-g+-main-link</a><br>
</div><div><br></div><div> -J</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Nov 11, 2013 at 12:23 PM, matt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div>One more for the list.<br><br></div>I had this thought the other night.<br>
<br>In some states, fashioning your own firearm is legal. In most states purchasing an 80% lower receiver and all the necessary parts for assembling an AR-15 can be done over the internet delivered to your door without waiting period or registration.<br>
<br></div>A gun built at home is not serial numbered and can never be sold or change hands basically. It also must conform to local state and federal laws relating to fire arms.<br><br></div>But, that raises the question. If I build a vending machine of sorts, that someone can walk up to ... hit a button... and it mills out the 80% lower receiver right there... assembles the AR-15 and just spits it out... Is that a DIY firearm? Is that completely legal? Can we build AR-15 vending machines that require no registration and no waiting period? Obviously in some states and counties the answer is already a firm hell no as DIY firearms are not really allowed. But.... in others....<br>
<br></div>And in that case, screw 3d printers. You can build a legitimate AR-15 vending machine fairly easily. Even if all it does is quickly mill the lower receiver and dump all the parts for manually assembly.<br><br>
</div>-Matt<br><br></div> The negative side to going to sleep early is your brain won't turn off and it things up some really weird shit.<br></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Nov 2, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Joel Murphy <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:joel@joelmurphy.net" target="_blank">joel@joelmurphy.net</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">I don't think it's the same as a book. CAD files are more like plans and drawings, they contain all the the specifications of how a thing could/should be built, but it takes tools and materials and expertise to actually pull it off. <br>
The advent of the thing-printer is a significant moment, but anyone who has worked with one knows that there are many opportunities for failure in the process of making a thing. This is nothing new. The idea of making weapons in shop class is older than our grandparents. Is the weapon-isation of 3D printing shocking because of the (false) idea that you just have to press a button to make it? Or that the gun is more concealable? These are paranoid thoughts.<br>
The are plenty of plans and drawings available for folding knives and trebuchets. Why is the BS cloud hanging over this plastic gun demonstration that is more likely to remove the user's finger? You could easier fashion a garrote from some fishing twine and sticks if you really had it in for someone. The whole thing is more about our wacky second amendment than anything else.<br>
And the thingiverse is responsible for editing what it publishes just as we are in our conduct to others and what we allow into our lives.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Joel</p>
<p dir="ltr">>>><br>
Making the World Safe for Robots</p>
<p dir="ltr">Any noise in the prior signal has been inserted by the Nexus7</p><div><div>
<div style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I think the only interesting questions to be raised by this 3d printed weapon BS, is how we fundamentally view CAD, programming, and general automation of tasks.<br>
<br></div>
Is CAD a form of knowledge in the same way that a book is?<br><br></div>Is censorship of CAD files basically the same as placing limits on our own ability to seek knowledge? And is that a bad thing? I can't help but see books burning when I see CAD files removed from the internet. Now I know I am on the extreme side of pro-freedom, but I still see the opportunity for terrible abuses in a digital fabrication age. We've seen what DRM has done to the publishing industry. I walk through a used book store and I can see the world of knowledge that amazon has all but left to rot hidden in the dusty stacks of now vanishing ruins to a bygone industry. And the fault is not amazons... the fault is copyrights that are held by companies with no desire or incentive to ensure the survivability of their content. <br>
<br></div>The future of CAD is already wrapped in a turmoil of patents, copyrights, and political correctness. I think we should be focused more on protecting designs from loss. Internet Archive and the sort may play a key role in that better future. <br>
<br></div>But one question continues to challenge me. "If it's so easy to <x> with a CAD file, does it stop being knowledge?" And it's a fair question. When a file represents an object, most will see it as the button they press to get an object, and not the collection of information that defines that object. <br>
<br></div>Is it knowledge then? Even if it contains that knowledge has the function been rewritten by common use?<br><br></div>I don't know. But I trust people to be awesome. So I want the knowledge to be preserved. And I want the knowledge to be there for others to build on if they choose, or equally ignore if they choose. I don't want to live in a world where people's works can be taken from them. And that's exactly what has happened in the past with classification of data, with DRM, and with content as a commodity.<br>
<br></div>-Matt<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Devlin Thyne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dthyne@dh-global.com" target="_blank">dthyne@dh-global.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Looking at my RSS feed from Thingiverse, it seems the last post was in December of 2012. If you would like, I can send you all the posts since early 2011.<br>
<br>
Bre Pettis had a post about deadly weapons from October 3rd of 2011, quoted below:<br>
<br>
When we started Thingiverse we didn’t want there to be weapons on it, but there were a number of awesome toy weapons that blurred the line and so we changed the TOS to something more blurry and toy weapons carried on. In fact, if you shoot anything on Thingiverse fast enough, you could hurt someone. There have been a lot of things on Thingiverse that could be classified as weapons, but they could also be classified as toys. A miniature catapult is technically a siege weapon, but it could also be classified as a toy. To summarize, our weapons policy has been a blurry line.<br>
<br>
Recently there has been a lot of discussion around guns since the lower arm of an AR-15 model went up on Thingiverse. It’s a beautiful model. It’s also the only part of the AR-15 that you can’t just mail order. It’s been possible and legal to make your own firearms since the beginning of the USA, but is Thingiverse the right place for deadly weapons?<br>
<br>
We’re discussing this internally and we’re spending time exploring the legalities of firearms on Thingiverse. We want to make sure that Thingiverse can be accessed from schools and is student friendly and we are exploring the implications of weapons on Thingiverse for classrooms.<br>
<br>
It’s a controversial subject. For myself, I get a lot of satisfaction from shooting guns in the woods at tin cans, but I also had my best childhood friend commit suicide with a gun he bought by routing around the registration process. I’m not convinced that 3D printing is easier than buying a gun illegally, but it does offer another avenue for weapons to enter the world. Will the next war be armed with 3D printers? One thing that’s for sure, the cat is out of the bag and that cat can be armed with guns made with printed parts.<br>
<br>
Before we make a decision, I’d like to get the Thingiverse users’ feedback. We’re going to either change the terms of service or not, but we want to get your feedback before we make that decision.<br>
<br>
On Thingiverse you’ll find a poll in the sidebar with three possible choices. Below the choices is a place for you to leave your comments. This poll can only be seen if you’re logged in. Each Thingiverse user can only vote once and once you’ve made your choice, the poll disappears. I hope you’ll take the time to tell us what kind of Thingiverse you want and use the comment section to tell us why.<br>
<br>
On 11/01/2013 09:20 AM, Catarina Mota wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Also, am I missing something is the Thingiverse blog gone? Searched the<br>
Makerbot blog and couldn't find anything about the weapons ban.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Catarina Mota<br>
<<a href="mailto:catarina@openmaterials.org" target="_blank">catarina@openmaterials.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:catarina@openmaterials.org" target="_blank">catarina@<u></u>openmaterials.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Thanks Johan, that's a great tip! Do you by any chance have links?<br>
I've only been able to find weapon-related discussions from the last<br>
6 months.<br>
<br>
<br>
On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Johan Söderberg<br>
<<a href="mailto:johan.soderberg@sts.gu.se" target="_blank">johan.soderberg@sts.gu.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:johan.soderberg@sts.gu.se" target="_blank">johan.soderberg@sts.<u></u>gu.se</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Hi Catarina,<br>
<br>
You can find reactions from the community in-real-time in the<br>
Rep-rap discussion forums and on Thingiverse blog from<br>
September-Oktober 2011. In the Rep-rap forum, speculations on<br>
this possibility dates back to day one the project was started<br>
(2005), but in threads that have been pushed to the back by the<br>
moderators. Please keep me updated, I be very interested to read<br>
if you are going to write about this topic.<br>
<br>
/Johan<br>
______________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.<u></u>org</a>><br>
<a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/<u></u>listinfo/discuss</a><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
______________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/<u></u>listinfo/discuss</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
______________________________<u></u>_________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/<u></u>listinfo/discuss</a><br>
</blockquote></div><br></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
<br></div>
</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br></div>
</div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">-- <br>J. Simmons, President <div>Mach 30: Foundation for Space Development<div><div><a href="http://mach30.org" target="_blank">http://mach30.org</a><br>
</div><div>
<div style="color:rgb(136,136,136);font-size:13px;font-family:arial,sans-serif"><div dir="ltr"><div style="text-align:left;padding:5px 0pt;font-size:13.3px"><a href="https://www.facebook.com/Mach30" style="color:blue;padding:0pt 2px;font-size:10pt" target="_blank"><img></a> <a href="http://twitter.com/mach_30" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><img></a> <a href="https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/104373960473278544446/104373960473278544446/posts" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank"><img></a></div>
<div style="text-align:center;padding:5px 0pt;font-size:13.3px"><i style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:small;text-align:-webkit-auto">~ ad astra per civitatem ~<br></i><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:arial;font-size:small;text-align:-webkit-auto">to the stars through community</span></div>
</div></div></div></div></div>
</font></span></div>
<br>_______________________________________________<br>
discuss mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br>
<a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss</a><br>
<br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><span><font color="#888888"><div>Michael Weinberg, Vice President, PK Thinks <br></div><div><a value="+12028610020">202-861-0020</a> (o) | @mweinbergPK</div>
</font></span><div><div><br></div><div>Public Knowledge | @publicknowledge | <a href="http://www.publicknowledge.org" target="_blank">www.publicknowledge.org</a> </div>
<div>1818 N St. NW, Suite 410 | Washington, DC 20036</div><div><br></div><div>Promoting a Creative & Connected Future.<br><br></div></div></div></div>
</div>