<div dir="ltr">joyce =P the original damn it! this is what happens when you put yourself on thingiverse...<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Catarina Mota <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:catarina@openmaterials.org" target="_blank">catarina@openmaterials.org</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Hi Matt,<div><br></div><div>This is an excellent take on this issue! Do you mind if I quote you on my dissertation? I'm just not sure which of the NYCR Matts you are :)</div>
<div><br></div><div>Cheers,</div>
<div>Catarina</div></div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 6:25 PM, matt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:matt@nycresistor.com" target="_blank">matt@nycresistor.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><div><div><div>I think the only interesting questions to be raised by this 3d printed weapon BS, is how we fundamentally view CAD, programming, and general automation of tasks.<br>
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Is CAD a form of knowledge in the same way that a book is?<br><br></div>Is censorship of CAD files basically the same as placing limits on our own ability to seek knowledge? And is that a bad thing? I can't help but see books burning when I see CAD files removed from the internet. Now I know I am on the extreme side of pro-freedom, but I still see the opportunity for terrible abuses in a digital fabrication age. We've seen what DRM has done to the publishing industry. I walk through a used book store and I can see the world of knowledge that amazon has all but left to rot hidden in the dusty stacks of now vanishing ruins to a bygone industry. And the fault is not amazons... the fault is copyrights that are held by companies with no desire or incentive to ensure the survivability of their content. <br>
<br></div>The future of CAD is already wrapped in a turmoil of patents, copyrights, and political correctness. I think we should be focused more on protecting designs from loss. Internet Archive and the sort may play a key role in that better future. <br>
<br></div>But one question continues to challenge me. "If it's so easy to <x> with a CAD file, does it stop being knowledge?" And it's a fair question. When a file represents an object, most will see it as the button they press to get an object, and not the collection of information that defines that object. <br>
<br></div>Is it knowledge then? Even if it contains that knowledge has the function been rewritten by common use?<br><br></div>I don't know. But I trust people to be awesome. So I want the knowledge to be preserved. And I want the knowledge to be there for others to build on if they choose, or equally ignore if they choose. I don't want to live in a world where people's works can be taken from them. And that's exactly what has happened in the past with classification of data, with DRM, and with content as a commodity.<span><font color="#888888"><br>
<br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888">-Matt<br></font></span></div><div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 4:50 PM, Devlin Thyne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dthyne@dh-global.com" target="_blank">dthyne@dh-global.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Looking at my RSS feed from Thingiverse, it seems the last post was in December of 2012. If you would like, I can send you all the posts since early 2011.<br>
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Bre Pettis had a post about deadly weapons from October 3rd of 2011, quoted below:<br>
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When we started Thingiverse we didn’t want there to be weapons on it, but there were a number of awesome toy weapons that blurred the line and so we changed the TOS to something more blurry and toy weapons carried on. In fact, if you shoot anything on Thingiverse fast enough, you could hurt someone. There have been a lot of things on Thingiverse that could be classified as weapons, but they could also be classified as toys. A miniature catapult is technically a siege weapon, but it could also be classified as a toy. To summarize, our weapons policy has been a blurry line.<br>
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Recently there has been a lot of discussion around guns since the lower arm of an AR-15 model went up on Thingiverse. It’s a beautiful model. It’s also the only part of the AR-15 that you can’t just mail order. It’s been possible and legal to make your own firearms since the beginning of the USA, but is Thingiverse the right place for deadly weapons?<br>
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We’re discussing this internally and we’re spending time exploring the legalities of firearms on Thingiverse. We want to make sure that Thingiverse can be accessed from schools and is student friendly and we are exploring the implications of weapons on Thingiverse for classrooms.<br>
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It’s a controversial subject. For myself, I get a lot of satisfaction from shooting guns in the woods at tin cans, but I also had my best childhood friend commit suicide with a gun he bought by routing around the registration process. I’m not convinced that 3D printing is easier than buying a gun illegally, but it does offer another avenue for weapons to enter the world. Will the next war be armed with 3D printers? One thing that’s for sure, the cat is out of the bag and that cat can be armed with guns made with printed parts.<br>
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Before we make a decision, I’d like to get the Thingiverse users’ feedback. We’re going to either change the terms of service or not, but we want to get your feedback before we make that decision.<br>
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On Thingiverse you’ll find a poll in the sidebar with three possible choices. Below the choices is a place for you to leave your comments. This poll can only be seen if you’re logged in. Each Thingiverse user can only vote once and once you’ve made your choice, the poll disappears. I hope you’ll take the time to tell us what kind of Thingiverse you want and use the comment section to tell us why.<br>
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On 11/01/2013 09:20 AM, Catarina Mota wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Also, am I missing something is the Thingiverse blog gone? Searched the<br>
Makerbot blog and couldn't find anything about the weapons ban.<br>
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 9:28 AM, Catarina Mota<br>
<<a href="mailto:catarina@openmaterials.org" target="_blank">catarina@openmaterials.org</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:catarina@openmaterials.org" target="_blank">catarina@<u></u>openmaterials.org</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Thanks Johan, that's a great tip! Do you by any chance have links?<br>
I've only been able to find weapon-related discussions from the last<br>
6 months.<br>
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On Fri, Nov 1, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Johan Söderberg<br>
<<a href="mailto:johan.soderberg@sts.gu.se" target="_blank">johan.soderberg@sts.gu.se</a> <mailto:<a href="mailto:johan.soderberg@sts.gu.se" target="_blank">johan.soderberg@sts.<u></u>gu.se</a>>> wrote:<br>
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Hi Catarina,<br>
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You can find reactions from the community in-real-time in the<br>
Rep-rap discussion forums and on Thingiverse blog from<br>
September-Oktober 2011. In the Rep-rap forum, speculations on<br>
this possibility dates back to day one the project was started<br>
(2005), but in threads that have been pushed to the back by the<br>
moderators. Please keep me updated, I be very interested to read<br>
if you are going to write about this topic.<br>
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/Johan<br>
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