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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Alicia thank you so much for your answer which went to the core of my question. I had heard patent trolls went after startups even if there was no money and either killed the startup with their demands or got a piece of the action (percentage of the company) to force the startup to get rid of the threat.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Colleen Chien worked a white paper on “Startups and Patent Trolls”. The paper has excellent recommendations on changing patent law. See <a href="http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2146251">http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2146251</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I am glad to hear it has not been an issue so far with the OSHW community but I know it has been with people on Kickstarter project and even Kickstarter itself.<i><o:p></o:p></i></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Doug Leppard<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> discuss-bounces@lists.oshwa.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.oshwa.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Alicia Gibb<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Open Source Hardware Association Discussion List<br><b>Cc:</b> 999jy; Marketply<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Discuss] OSHW and patent trolls 99cyasr 99patents 99trolls<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>I haven't yet heard of any patent trolls specifically going after open hardware. Considering that patent trolls make their money off IP, its possible that a product / project with no IP and therefore no money for them doesn't appeal to them. I'd also like to hear from the community if this has happened to anyone?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>As for discussion, there is a lot of discussion currently in the US Congress about IP reform. Nathan Seidle testified a few weeks ago offering his changes to the current system to lawmakers: <a href="https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1229">https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1229</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>If you've got ideas for patent reform, now is the time to send your congresspeople an email. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Alicia <o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM, YES NOPE9 <<a href="mailto:yes@nope9.com" target="_blank">yes@nope9.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>One way to deal with this is to set up a database of ideas released into the public domain ( prior art )<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>These ideas could be tagged so that Goggle could search for them .......<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Tag could be #PublicDomainPatent<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> 99guspuppet<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Marketply wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Patents will get ever more competition from openly published, freed inventions, especially the day when there will be a reliable, open technology database available the patent system can easily access to review for prior art.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>I've been in discussion with a patent lawyer about this for two years, and I'm getting ready to submit a few guidelines for patent reform, with actual examples. Now the time is perfect.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>There's already hints of this entering <a href="http://blog.makezine.com/2013/05/02/first-to-file-nah-first-to-blog" target="_blank">public discussion</a>.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>It would seem that the change to 'first to file' gives extraordinary advantages to open technology that hasn't yet been fully realized. I've been asking lawyers long before the change what this means for publishing (before anyone files a patent), and all replies look good for publishing 'open patents' before anyone can file the patent.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Speed is of the essence. And crowd-powered efforts on open projects have that as a natural advantage. <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>We only need a Quirky type of organization for publishing high quality open technology schematics at lightning speed, and a revolution in open technology is upon us.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>If anyone wants more info on the patent reform guidelines or even to collaborate we can open a new discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>Marino Hernandez<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>(just a founder of <a href="http://www.marketply.org" target="_blank">Marketply</a>)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>203-429-420<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid blue 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:13.5pt'><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>On August 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM Doug Leppard <<a href="mailto:doug.leppard@gmail.com" target="_blank">doug.leppard@gmail.com</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>What are some experiences with OSHW and patent issues especially patent trolls. A friend of mine who is a patent attorney said that almost anything you do could be covered by a patent already. Recent articles shows of trolls going after Kickstarter projects.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Any experiences here? Anything to learn from?<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Doug Leppard<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'><br> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic Sans MS"'>_______________________________________________<br>discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org" target="_blank">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>discuss mailing list<br><a href="mailto:discuss@lists.oshwa.org">discuss@lists.oshwa.org</a><br><a href="http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss" target="_blank">http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>