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There may be a a plus side to this case being about guns. Had the
DoD taken down DIY Drones, which they could consider an ITAR
controlled export, the only political support would be from the
relatively small group of politicians and NPOs that are aware of,
and interested in, open-source hardware. There aren't many
pro-drone politicians.<br>
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Being that this involves guns too, there are many politicians and
NPOs that strongly oppose restrictions on guns and will do
everything they can to make sure Defense Distributed comes out on
the winning side of the debate. Regardless of any of our individual
views on guns and gun control, Cody Wilson may be fighting ITAR
restrictions on open-source hardware from an angle that is more
likely to win.<br>
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— David Carrier<br>
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I have a pretty good understanding of his tactics, I've been
through a number of interviews and articles, and seen similar
patterns before. I just think they are ill-advised. He's got two
controversial topics in his actions: weapons reform, and
intellectual property reform. By doing what he's doing, he's tied
the two together in many people's minds. So now those same people
will be less receptive to the idea that intellectual property
regulation on its own is worth discussing.
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<div>Cody's chosen to take a radical stance. That's fine, but the
consequence of that choose is that you alienate more people than
you do than by taking a collaborative stance. He's got to live
with that consequence, and unfortunately, now so do those of us
who share his feelings about intellectual property reform.</div>
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<div>On May 10, 2013, at 1:46 PM, Will Canine <<a
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<div>I think that Wilson's point is that regulation
can't stop the dispersion of disruptive designs via
the Internet; he is not really looking for a waver
or exemption or anything like that. His point is
that now it's started, it can't be stopped,
regulation be damned. </div>
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<div>I'm as uninterested in guns as anyone here, but I
do think it's worth looking at what he is doing more
closely -- his tactics are worth learning from at
the very least. </div>
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<div dir="ltr">My experience with Export Control
for encryption technologies used in consumer
devices, instantiated as DRM solutions for
Video on Demand movies, suggests to me that
the exception being sought is somewhat ...
unrealistic.
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<div style="style">Weaponization of any
technology is probably a poor strategy for
accomplishing the acheivement of a waiver
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 10, 2013
at 10:41 AM, Matt Maier <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div dir="ltr">This is a dilemma that's
been building up for a while now. Open
source is all about sharing ideas so
that anyone who wants to build them, or
build off of them, can do so. Export
control is a legal regime that makes
sharing of certain ideas with
non-authorized entities a federal crime.
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<div>Those of you who were at the
hardware documentation jam might
remember the subject of legal
constraints coming up, but at the time
I didn't have a good example.</div>
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It would seem that we now have our
test case. The State Department has
ordered Defense Distributed to stop
that whole "sharing guns" thing while
they review whether or not making them
internationally available violates
International Traffic in Arms
Regulations.</div>
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<div>Cody Wilson, a law student, says
that what he's doing falls into a
protected exception for non-profit
public domain research. His argument
is that the files are "stored in a
library" in the sense that all
libraries have internet access and
there is a single bookstore in Austin
providing the published plans. </div>
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<div>Getting any kind of official
exception to export control for open
source technology development would be
a huge win. It would pave the way for
much more ambitious projects.</div>
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