<div dir="ltr"><div style>The benefit to OSHWA of granting use of the logo is that the community benefits from the innovation inherent in the products made available at a source level. </div><div style>As a transaction, this is not one sided. </div>
<div style>It is a mutual benefit, and in that sense it is most fair when there is symmetry in it.</div><div><br></div>I would call everyones attention to <a href="http://tiny-circuits.com">http://tiny-circuits.com</a>.<div style>
They are doing electronics.<br></div><div style><div>They did a kickstarter. </div><div style>They posted all of their initial source on GitHub: Eagles, 3D drawings, its all there. The files are six months old. </div><div style>
This to me signifies that the use of kickstarter or any other funding mechanism is not an issue preventing open source publication.<br></div><div style><br></div><div style>If you are concerned that the pirates will take your source and enter your market before you can, which may be legitimate concern, we could always make it so you can always post to escrow somewhere, so it is clear that the files are open sourced in fact, even if the visibility of those files to the community is delayed for a specific period. An escrow facility of some kind, run by OSHWA or a benefactor on their behalf, might be an idea here. This would allow worry free deposit to the community prior to going to market, and allow the OSHWA to complete the transaction by providing their benefit in return.</div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 2:24 PM, Tom Igoe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tom.igoe@gmail.com" target="_blank">tom.igoe@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="auto">That argues in favor of only calling it open when it ships, doesn't it?<div><div class="h5"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">Marco Perry <<a href="mailto:mperry@pensanyc.com" target="_blank">mperry@pensanyc.com</a>> wrote:<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<div>What if the person doesn't follow thru with best practices? It's hard to revoke if the boards and package is printed.<br><br>Sent from my newly outdated iPhone 4S</div><div><br>On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:52 AM, Tom Igoe <<a href="mailto:tom.igoe@gmail.com" target="_blank">tom.igoe@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>I'd agree with that, though it's an interesting question for things like Kickstarter campaigns. Do you release the files when you start your kickstarter campaign, or when you ship? <div>
<br></div><div>r.</div><div><br><div><div>On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:49 AM, David A. Mellis wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><span style="border-collapse:separate;font-family:Helvetica;font-style:normal;font-variant:normal;font-weight:normal;letter-spacing:normal;line-height:normal;text-align:-webkit-auto;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;font-size:medium"><div dir="ltr">
Personally, I think it's okay to use "open-source hardware" and the logo as long as the design files are released with the product. Before release, the distinction between "is" and "will be" seems like a subtle one -- for everything about the product, not just whether or not it's open-source. </div>
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