<div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><i>An organization like OSHWA is already sitting between the project managers and the users, trying to provide benefit to both by enforcing ethical standards. The project manager would already have to submit their files to the OSHWA for review prior to OSHWA agreeing that the project is open and blessing the use of the mark.</i></span><br>
<div><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px"><br></span></div><div style><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;font-size:13px">So I have never heard that anyone at OSHWA is there for files to be submitted to, or that OSHWA would be formally accepting or determining that a project is open. Rather, the assumption seems to be that the certification is 'self', and the enforcement is 'community'. In that context, an escrow would need to be community provided and community run, with the ability to signal that source had been loaded and that as a result use of the logo and marks was ok.</span></div>
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<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Mar 2, 2013 at 6:25 PM, Matt Maier <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:blueback09@gmail.com" target="_blank">blueback09@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Oh hey now, THAT's a good idea! I'd never considered the concept of a source file escrow but it's perfect. An organization like OSHWA is already sitting between the project managers and the users, trying to provide benefit to both by enforcing ethical standards. The project manager would already have to submit their files to the OSHWA for review prior to OSHWA agreeing that the project is open and blessing the use of the mark. There's no reason the project manager couldn't submit the files for review but attach a publication date. If the OSHWA agrees the project is open, but the project manager never follows through with publishing the files, then the OSHWA would publish the files. That way they could ensure that the files are actually available for every single project they allowed to use the mark.<div>
<br></div><div>In fact, that also helps resolve another issue. If the OSHWA offers to maintain a public repository of project files it would give project managers a reason to apply for the mark. That way they don't have to personally worry about keeping the files available. At the same time it would allow the OSHWA to vouch for the actual openness of the projects because it knows for a fact that the files are available. That would provide value to everyone.<br>
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If you are concerned that the pirates will take your source and enter your<br>
market before you can, which may be legitimate concern, we could always<br>
make it so you can always post to escrow somewhere, so it is clear that the<br>
files are open sourced in fact, even if the visibility of those files to<br>
the community is delayed for a specific period. An escrow facility of some<br>
kind, run by OSHWA or a benefactor on their behalf, might be an idea here.<br>
This would allow worry free deposit to the community prior to going to<br>
market, and allow the OSHWA to complete the transaction by providing their<br>
benefit in return.<br></blockquote></div></div>
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