<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">On the subject of logo use and licensing, I agree with Marco that OSHW is a brand, and needs to be defended as such if it's going to gain any respect or authority. I think that means it needs a license with terms on what constitutes appropriate use. That doesn't mean the license has to be charged for in all cases, however.<div><br></div><div><div><div>On Feb 27, 2013, at 11:54 AM, David A. Mellis wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; "><div><div style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-size: 13px; font-family: arial, sans-serif; ">- How do I or will OSHWA approach a company who has the open source hw logo on their boards but no files?</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>This seems like something OSHWA should do, although I'm not sure what the best approach would be.</div></span><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"></blockquote></div><br></div><div>What exactly should OSHWA do, though? I'd say contact the company that's not in compliance and ask them to cease using the logo.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Cameron Adamez wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div>What ramifications does this rigamarole have for individuals, hobbyists, students, artists, etc? </div><div>Certifications are great but if using the logo means that you have to pay someone to use this, even OSHWA, it seems counter-intuitive.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, does this mean that simply having schematics and CAD files on a website is not sufficient?</div></span></blockquote><br></div><div>This is a case where licensing a very nominal fee might be appropriate. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><div>On Feb 27, 2013, at 2:38 PM, Alicia Gibb wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; "><span style="color: rgb(34, 34, 34); font-family: arial, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); ">- Can I directly copy open source hardware (sans trademark), the oshw definition says 'yes', but articles on oshw have a resounding 'no'.</span></blockquote><div> </div><div>I think if we're really about being open, this should actually be okay - think of all the open source code that gets copied and pasted directly (with attribution of course).</div></span></blockquote></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>This would invalidate the trademark, I think, if OSHWA didn't defend it, but I could be wrong. Wendy or someone with more legal experience should weigh in here.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div></span></div></body></html>