[Discuss] Material vs Information Economy

Fri Feb 10 13:59:09 UTC 2017

I would guess that Marcin's methodology of submitting to an
already-existing classification is the easiest way to go. But I agree in
that there must be a definition on what stands for material or information
economies, for cases where there is a mixture between the two.

El feb. 10, 2017 2:38 AM, "Antoine C." <
smallwindturbineproj.contactor at gmail.com> escribió:

> Hi Marcin and all.
>
> Your question is "What is the relative size of the material economy vs
> information economy?". It is a nice question.
>
> May I ask you this question: In information economy, there might be
> journalism, advertising, training, education, advices, books, etc ... Them,
> do you mean, "software" [3] instead of "information" ? (The size of
> software industry might be found more relatively easily, see for example:
> [4])
>
> However, the only way to answer it, would be to ask to people who have
> been tracking all national GDPs [1] for long. Maybe The World Bank [2]
> would a great entrance. Asking to those GDP trackers if they have already
> aggregated global "software economy" pack and global "material economy"
> pack, would be a great idea. However, identifying the part of software into
> the computer field might be very tricky: computers are delivered with
> default software, but their identification is not done.
> [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gross_domestic_product
> [2]: http://databank.worldbank.org/data/home.aspx
> [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software
> [4]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_industry#Size_of_the_industry
>
> It is a nice question ...
>
> Love and Peace,
> Freely,
> Antoine C.
>
> Le 09/02/2017 à 20:29, Matt Maier a écrit :
>
> And here's a new paper that was just published.
> https://www.academia.edu/31327768/Emergence_of_Home_Manufacturing_in_the_Developed_World_Return_on_Investment_for_Open-Source_3-D_Printers
>
> Using the LulzBot Mini once a week pays itself off in 1-3 years and a
> selection of free 3D models has already saved people $4M.
>
> On Feb 9, 2017 07:08, "Matt Maier" <blueback09 at gmail.com> <blueback09 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dr. Pearce's paper, Quantifying The Value Of Open Source Hardware, would
> be a good start.https://opensource.com/life/15/2/the-worth-of-open-source-hardware-design
>
> On Feb 9, 2017 6:04 AM, "Tom Igoe" <tom.igoe at gmail.com> <tom.igoe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 9, 2017, at 7:47 AM, Marcin Jakubowski <marcin at opensourceecology.org> wrote:
>
> To specify my question, I think I should be asking "What is the relative
> size of the material economy vs information economy?" Is this a well-formed
> question?
>
>
> I understand the question, and my questions are aimed at helping to
> clarify it. I don’t think it is particularly well formed, yet. At least,
> not for my limited understanding of economics, because it seems to contain
> a few contradictions and requires a bunch of things to be defined.
>
> In order to evaluate it, I’d want to define what industries fall into
> what sides of the question. I’d guess that it’s probably not a binary. I am
> not an economist, but I can think of a few industries where it’s impossible
> to tell whether they are material or information, because their money is
> generated by both production & sales, and by analysis & speculation based
> on data. Energy is a big one, which is why I cited it earlier. But so is
> agriculture (I’m thinking about the amount of money generated by ag futures
> here, for example).  I’m guessing that the whole “financialization of
> economies” argument is another way of saying that financiers have figured
> out how to bind material and informational revenue generation together
> tightly enough that it’s difficult to separate them.
>
> I guess if I were asking the question, I’d start by asking an economist
> to help shape it a bit more. The more I think about it, the less I can
> separate the two.
>
> I googled Sectors of the economy and this seems to be useful:
> http://www.economicshelp.org/blog/12436/concepts/sectors-economy/
>
> 1. Primary sector: raw materials.
> 2. Secondary sector: manufacturing, buildings, roads, and any physical
> infrastructures/facilities
> 3. Tertiary sector: services including retail, insurance, banking,
> tourism, restaurants
> 4. Quaternary sector: education, training, R&D
> 5. Quinary sector: government
>
> 1 and 2 are clearly 100% materially related. The retail part of 3 is
> based primarily on natural and manufactured resources, so that is part of
> the material economy. The parts of 4 that relate to material production
> relate to raw materials and manufacturing. 5 is not the material economy.
>
> My question aims at the potential economic impact of open source
> hardware: is that a billion dollar startup like Google, or is it a trillion
> dollar startup like nothing prior - in recorded human history?
>
> Marcin
>
> On Thu, Feb 9, 2017 at 5:35 AM, Tom Igoe <tom.igoe at gmail.com> <tom.igoe at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I think you need to be more specific on that “etc” to get good numbers.
> For example, is energy hardware or software? Because it’s pretty big.
>
>
> Tom
>
> On Feb 8, 2017, at 9:37 PM, Marcin Jakubowski <marcin at opensourceecology.org> wrote:
>
> Friends,
>
> I'm researching the size of the hardware vs software economy. What is
> the latest on the size of the hardware economy (materials, housing,
> industry, ag etc) compared to the information economy (software,
> information services, education, etc)?
>
> I heard somewhere that the hardware economy is 80% of the economy. Can
> anyone point me to sources?
>
> Thanks,
> Marcin
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