[Discuss] Do we have desktop/laptop like librem?

Jay Patel rockworldmi at gmail.com
Fri Sep 16 19:07:20 UTC 2016

oh.. got it.. Thanks lee for taking time to explain.

On Sat, Sep 17, 2016 at 12:25 AM, Blibbet <blibbet at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 09/16/2016 11:12 AM, Jay Patel wrote:
> > Thanks Lee.  May be economically not fit for project. Maybe some FSF
> > community can pick it up with their OpenSource like redhat or something
> > like libreboot doing.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jay
> Unfortunately, no
> FSF is focused on their Respects Your Freedom hardware certification,
> and a vague effort towards Free Hardware (the GPL equiv of the OSHWA's
> 'BSD', somewhat). FSF is only focused on GPL-licensed hardware. No
> OEMs/IHVs nor IBVs would touch GPL hardware, industry has too much IP to
> keep separate.
> Libreboot is not focused on any new hardware, just refactoring existing
> Windows PCs or Chrome PCs, refurbing ancient IBM ThinkPads and a few new
> ARM chromebooks. With their GPL focus, it'll be hard to get mainstream
> OEM/IHV involvement, so refactoring existing closed-source-hardware
> systems seems main future.
> Nobody else in the OSS community is is focused on OSH. That's the job of
> the OSH community. :-)
> (And there is no OSF (Open Source Firmware) community focused on getting
> free (as in beer or freedom) firmware into modern hardware, there are
> the the UEFI, U-Boot and coreboot communities.)
> OCP only has partners that focus modular open source hardware for
> enterprise-level systems. Unclear of the economic existance of OSWHA is,
> if only to focus on economically-questionable cutsey blinkey-light
> projects, not real-world solutions. IMO, an OSH modular/secure (ITL
> stateless laptop)
> Having a useable laptop seems economically worth investigating. Each
> year they get more and more sealed, and the closed-source hardware gets
> more closed and complex. The fact that I'm not an economist does not
> mean this project should be considered more by the OSHWA (or some other
> OSH group). :-)
> PS: The recent thread on OSH SSDs is related to this. The closed-source
> world is moving towards SEDs, self-encrypting disks, which have TPM and
> use TCG's OPAL interface. There is an open source alternative, but no
> OSH implementatoins yet. :-(
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