[Discuss] is intel edison open-source hardware?

Fri Mar 6 11:28:02 UTC 2015

Hi everybody, I'm all in for OSHW and I hate anyone using the image of a
community to promote stuff, but I didn't like the tone of the letter. I
don't think that threatening people is a good way to get what we want. From
what I see here, no one batted an eye when people agreed that GPS, GSM and
all sort of modules are ok to use on OSHW designs, even if they are black
boxes, but now we're bashing Intel for the same thing.
I think that even if Intel released their Altium design files, they would
still be borderline compliant because Altium is commercial, so why bother?
Sure, they could have designed it with kicad, but IMHO kikad is not
complete enough for Intel's (industrial) designs (or else everyone would
use it and Altium would go bankrupt).
So, given the GPS module "agreement", I think that Intel could just release
the docking boards design files to be able to say that they are compliant.
I don't understand the point of the footnote either; what's the matter with
Solidworks in this discussion??? Am I missing something? Aren't they free
to make a commercial product and sell it?

2015-03-06 4:42 GMT+01:00 Jeffrey Warren <jeff at publiclab.org>:

> +1 w Nancy and +1 letter!
>
> (Hi Seth!)
>  On Mar 5, 2015 8:23 PM, "Nancy Ouyang" <nancy.ouyang at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Re: Galileo, Why can't they just stay away from the words "open source
>> hardware"? I don't understand what's so blinking hard about that.
>>
>> I'm fine with Edison being closed-source and Intel protecting something
>> they spent a lot of resources on. That's because they* don't claim it's
>> open source hardware*.
>>
>> Sure, I'm drafting a letter. I'm working on etherpad and will ask for
>> help editing soon.
>> http://etherpad.mit.edu/p/oshw-may-2015
>>
>> ~~~
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>> arvados.org (open source software for provenance, reproducing, and
>> scaling your analyses)
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 8:12 PM, Hunter, Seth E <seth.e.hunter at intel.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi Everyone,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Here are the Edison Source files they provide:
>>> http://www.intel.com/support/maker/edison.htm   The Edison unit is
>>> closed – but everything around it should be well documented. I think the
>>> reason is that the SOC and Edison package is a 9 layer board and the
>>> Tangier team spent a long time turning a mobile phone SOC and the Broadcom
>>> Wifi/Bluetooth into a small unit that could be integrated with products in
>>> a modular way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What I want to figure out is if you can convert an Allegro and Orcad
>>> files into a format that makers can work with.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding Galileo here is what I could find:
>>>
>>> Galileo gen 1:
>>> https://communities.intel.com/community/makers/galileo/documentation/galileodocuments
>>>
>>> Galileo gen 1 reference design:
>>> http://downloadmirror.intel.com/24514/eng/Galileo%20Reference%20Design.zip
>>> (its in a format called brd)
>>>
>>> Galileo gen 2:
>>> https://communities.intel.com/community/makers/galileo/documentation/intel-galileo-gen-2-development-board-documents
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What’s weird is that at one point I downloaded the board files for
>>> Galileo Gen 1 to try and understand if makers/developers could use them to
>>> go to product with the Quark SOC – and they were on the web and easy to
>>> find.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don’t work directly with the software groups that make these boards
>>> but I’ve gotten to know their org fairly well. We are trying to find a way
>>> to gently push them towards OSH standards. If folks can send me feedback
>>> about this I’ll gather it together to see where these products are with
>>> regard to the checklists – I’m not sure if anyone has ever done this… but
>>> it would be useful to present that information to the right people and I
>>> know the right channels I think.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Seth Hunter
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -------------
>>> Seth Hunter
>>> PhD, MIT Media Lab - Research Scientist at Intel Labs
>>>
>>> website <http://www.perspectum.com/>  |  inspiration
>>> <http://arplay.tumblr.com/> |  life
>>> <http://flickr.com/photos/sethismyfriend/>
>>>
>>> -------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* discuss-bounces at lists.oshwa.org [mailto:
>>> discuss-bounces at lists.oshwa.org] *On Behalf Of *Nancy Ouyang
>>> *Sent:* Thursday, March 05, 2015 4:39 PM
>>> *To:* The Open Source Hardware Association Discussion List
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] is intel edison open-source hardware?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> sorry, the galileo. i couldn't figure out from the web if Intel claims
>>> edison is open-source or not, but a friend told me it wasn't.
>>>
>>>
>>>      ~~~
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>>>
>>> arvados.org (open source software for provenance, reproducing, and
>>> scaling your analyses)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:36 PM, Nancy Ouyang <nancy.ouyang at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/do-it-yourself/galileo-maker-quark-board.html
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Providing users with a fully open source hardware* and software
>>> development environment, the Intel Galileo Gen 2 board complements and
>>> extends the Arduino line of product
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 10 clicks in all I found was a PDF of the schematic.
>>> http://www.intel.com/support/galileo/sb/CS-035168.htm
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While better than nothing, that certainly doesn't fulfill the definition:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The hardware must be released with documentation including design
>>> files, and must allow modification and distribution of the design files. "
>>>
>>> "These are the original source files that you would use to make
>>> modifications to the hardware’s design. *The act of sharing these files
>>> is the core practice of open-source hardware*."
>>>
>>> http://www.oshwa.org/definition/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Just checking if someone knows better than me what's going on here.
>>>
>>> ~~~
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>>>
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