[Discuss] OSHW and patent trolls 99cyasr 99patents 99trolls

matt matt at nycresistor.com
Mon Oct 28 19:07:24 UTC 2013


I remember pax working on that platform a long while back like early
cupcake days.


On Mon, Oct 28, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Jordan Miller <jrdnmlr at gmail.com> wrote:

> you might consider looking at makerbot's patent on the automated build
> platform conveyor belt system for automatic serial (one after another) 3d
> printing, which I believe was predated by prior art descriptions of this
> technology/idea on the reprap forum a long time ago. dunno the priority
> date of the MakerBot patent.
>
> jordan
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> On Aug 22, 2013, at 11:07 AM, Alicia Gibb <pip at nycresistor.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the article, it's helpful when this stuff is documented.
> Catarina, oshwa's research chair is writing a business survey, this would
> be a good question to enter, and really any IP issues would be good to hear
> about.
>
> Alicia
> On Aug 20, 2013 7:29 PM, "Doug Leppard" <doug.leppard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Alicia thank you so much for your answer which went to the core of my
>> question.  I had heard patent trolls went after startups even if there was
>> no money and either killed the startup with their demands or got a piece of
>> the action (percentage of the company) to force the startup to get rid of
>> the threat.****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Colleen Chien worked a white paper on “Startups and Patent Trolls”.  The
>> paper has excellent recommendations on changing patent law.  See
>> http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2146251 ****
>>
>> ** **
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>> I am glad to hear it has not been an issue so far with the OSHW community
>> but I know it has been with people on Kickstarter project and even
>> Kickstarter itself.**
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>>
>> Doug Leppard****
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>> ** **
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>> *From:* discuss-bounces at lists.oshwa.org [mailto:
>> discuss-bounces at lists.oshwa.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Gibb
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:39 PM
>> *To:* The Open Source Hardware Association Discussion List
>> *Cc:* 999jy; Marketply
>> *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] OSHW and patent trolls 99cyasr 99patents
>> 99trolls****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I haven't yet heard of any patent trolls specifically going after open
>> hardware. Considering that patent trolls make their money off IP, its
>> possible that a product / project with no IP and therefore no money for
>> them doesn't appeal to them. I'd also like to hear from the community if
>> this has happened to anyone?****
>>
>> ** **
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>> As for discussion, there is a lot of discussion currently in the US
>> Congress about IP reform. Nathan Seidle testified a few weeks ago offering
>> his changes to the current system to lawmakers:
>> https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1229****
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>> ** **
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>> If you've got ideas for patent reform, now is the time to send your
>> congresspeople an email. ****
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>> ** **
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>> Cheers,****
>>
>> Alicia ****
>>
>> ** **
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>> On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM, YES NOPE9 <yes at nope9.com> wrote:****
>>
>> One way to deal with this is to set up a database of ideas released into
>> the public domain ( prior art )****
>>
>> These ideas could be tagged so that Goggle could search for them .......*
>> ***
>>
>> Tag could be #PublicDomainPatent****
>>
>>           99guspuppet****
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>> On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Marketply wrote:****
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>> Patents will get ever more competition from openly published, freed
>> inventions, especially the day when there will be a reliable, open
>> technology database available the patent system can easily access to review
>> for prior art.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I've been in discussion with a patent lawyer about this for two years,
>> and I'm getting ready to submit a few guidelines for patent reform, with
>> actual examples. Now the time is perfect.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> There's already hints of this entering public discussion<http://blog.makezine.com/2013/05/02/first-to-file-nah-first-to-blog>
>> .****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> It would seem that the change to 'first to file' gives extraordinary
>> advantages to open technology that hasn't yet been fully realized. I've
>> been asking lawyers long before the change what this means for publishing
>> (before anyone files a patent), and all replies look good for publishing
>> 'open patents' before anyone can file the patent.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Speed is of the essence. And crowd-powered efforts on open projects have
>> that as a natural advantage. ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> We only need a Quirky type of organization for publishing high quality
>> open technology schematics at lightning speed, and a revolution in open
>> technology is upon us.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> If anyone wants more info on the patent reform guidelines or even to
>> collaborate we can open a new discussion.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Marino Hernandez****
>>
>> (just a founder of Marketply <http://www.marketply.org>)****
>>
>> 203-429-420****
>>
>>  ****
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>> On August 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM Doug Leppard <doug.leppard at gmail.com>
>> wrote: ****
>>
>> What are some experiences with OSHW and patent issues especially patent
>> trolls.  A friend of mine who is a patent attorney said that almost
>> anything you do could be covered by a patent already.  Recent articles
>> shows of trolls going after Kickstarter projects.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Any experiences here?  Anything to learn from?****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Doug Leppard****
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>>  ****
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