[Discuss] the significance of oshw

[Catarina Mota]

Tiberius: thanks for sending the link to your talk, it's very interesting.
I added it to the talks list. <http://www.oshwa.org/talks/>

License for the google doc and testimonials in general: how about
CC-NC-BY-SA? I like to use the NC clause on non-hardware/software content
because it protects people from, for example, having their words used in
advertisement for products.

Ownership of the doc: well, the doc is on my google account, just because
that was practical, but since the content is licensed as CC it doesn't
belong to anyone in particular.

The goal of this exercise is precisely to step away from the issue of the
definition and licenses for a moment and think about each or our individual
motivations and beliefs. One thing I've learned is that we all do OSHW for
slightly different reasons, which are often tied with our own personal
histories, contexts and goals. And it's interesting to capture and share
those personal interpretations and stories. Even just the few testimonials
we currently have up already show that diversity of motivations and goals :)


On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 5:52 AM, FREE SMALL WIND TURBINE PROJECT PEOPLE <
smallwindturbineproj.contactor at gmail.com> wrote:

> .../...
> And, when you got this picture, you come to very strange conclusion: US
> has a supremacy on all copyleft license, because copyright is a US law
> concept and definition. And then, to force local laws to accept this
> concept, some local laws are changed in order to match with US definition.
> What does this mean at the end: the US copyright supremacy modify the local
> cultures in term of authorship rights, which sometimes has been settle for
> long history of social culture, depending of history of each region.
>
> It's great to read you begin this very long way where at the end you see
> your country has got a unwished supremacy on free and opensource culture,
> which might not be aligned with the deep concept of what free and
> opensource values.
>
> Antoine
>
>
>
> 2013/11/6 FREE SMALL WIND TURBINE PROJECT PEOPLE <
> smallwindturbineproj.contactor at gmail.com>
>
>> Alicia might have tiped :
>>
>> *>[I'm really nervous I might sound like a jerk with this next statement,
>> but I'm going to say it anyway] *
>> > As an American, I think I've been around capitalistic thinking for so
>> long, it's hard for me to think
>> > outside of the standard reasons you listed.
>>
>> Hi Alicia,
>> When you'll discover that "copyright" is a pure US law creation and US
>> law word definition that has not necessary equivalence in some other
>> countries, then, you also discover that all copyleft licenses will not
>> apply to those countries, except if the author get a compliant US
>> copyright, or except if some local lawyers of those countries can make the
>> bridge with their local law and US copyright using wording law style which
>> obviously will be only applicable the one specific context behind a court
>> in those country.
>> And, when you got this picture, you come to very strange conclusion: US
>> has a supremacy on all copyleft license, because copyright is a US law
>> concept and definition. And then, to force local laws to accept this
>> concept, some local laws are changed in order to match with US
>>
>>
>> 2013/11/6 FREE SMALL WIND TURBINE PROJECT PEOPLE <
>> smallwindturbineproj.contactor at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Catarina,
>>> About your Google Doc:
>>>
>>>    1. which license will cover the inputs written on this google doc ?
>>>    2. who is the owner of this google doc ?
>>>    3. shouldn't we work on questions suggested to answer ?
>>>    1. feel free to define significance for you
>>>       2. what is the significance ?
>>>       3. why ...
>>>       4. In your personal opinion ...
>>>    4. compiling data from any sources: mailing list, google doc, other
>>>    collaborative PAD, etc ...
>>>
>>> I've opened a Public PAD<http://lite3.framapad.org/p/OSH_significance_(end_2013)>on Framasoft Pad for collecting all of our comments of this topic, in
>>> addition of Google Doc. If this PAD is OK for you, we can use it. As it is
>>> homed by a free knowledge sharing organization, it might be more aligned
>>> with free spirit of OSH exchanges than Google tools are.
>>>
>>> We can use this PAD for compiling all inputs from any sources: mailing
>>> lists, google doc,
>>>
>>> As mentioned, non english speakers can write on their native languages
>>> if they want.
>>>
>>> Antoine
>>>
>>> PAD URL: http://lite3.framapad.org/p/OSH_significance_(end_2013)
>>>
>>> PAD EMBED URL: <iframe name='embed_readwrite' src='
>>> http://lite3.framapad.org/p/OSH_significance_(end_2013)?showControls=true&showChat=true&showLineNumbers=true&useMonospaceFont=false'
>>> width=600 height=400></iframe>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/11/6 FREE SMALL WIND TURBINE PROJECT PEOPLE <
>>> smallwindturbineproj.contactor at gmail.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi Catarina and all,
>>>> Why not putting this "towards a new OSHW defintion ?" work across
>>>> http://freedomdefined.org/OSHW ?
>>>>  From my side, I've worked a lot on that topic, and I'm preparing a
>>>> pre-Phd paper where I suggest to go one step ahead with "hardware" limits.
>>>> If I explain shortly: it started with opensource software. Then came
>>>> Free software. Then came opensource hardware. Then free hardware is still
>>>> not on public place (I've written a primary free hardware licence, but this
>>>> license is NOT published yet, because I do not want to generate troubles).
>>>> Then as goods or products are not limited to software or hardware, will
>>>> come others components of biosphere, including ISO products components
>>>> (software, hardware, processed materials, services) and including also
>>>> agriculture, and natural materials, and arts materials, and black-material,
>>>> and anti-matiere, and spirit production, and dreams productions, and any
>>>> other unknown element on earth or in any other univers.
>>>> Why ? Because there are somebodies who will certainty try to block by
>>>> any ownership copyright, some of those components, as this US company which
>>>> tried to copyright cucumbers ... !!!
>>>>
>>>> Then Yes ! Catarina, your idea is really great, and you can count on me
>>>> for participating.
>>>>
>>>> Antoine
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2013/11/6 Tiberius Brastaviceanu <tiberius.brastaviceanu at gmail.com>
>>>>
>>>>> For me, OSH means an economic revolution.
>>>>>
>>>>> See my TEDx video about OSH and the open value network (OVN) model.
>>>>> http://youtu.be/Ixgp8_B9g5A
>>>>>
>>>>> See more about the OVN model
>>>>> http://valuenetwork.referata.com/wiki/Main_Page
>>>>>
>>>>> See a concrete example
>>>>> www.sensorica.co
>>>>>
>>>>> And see some of my posts related to OSH and the p2p economy.
>>>>> http://multitudeproject.blogspot.ca/
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel free to provide constructive criticism!
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, I invite you to contribute to the OVN project.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Catarina Mota <
>>>>> catarina at openmaterials.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Matt and Mario!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt, your research is very inspiring. Would you like us to publish
>>>>>> the whole email, just the tl;dr section or share something else from your
>>>>>> research? I'm a phd student too so I know that universities require
>>>>>> dissertations to be unpublished work. Just let us know what we can include
>>>>>> on the oshwa site without compromising your research.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mario, thank you also for all the inspiration from El Salvador! I
>>>>>> just added your testimony to the page:
>>>>>> http://www.oshwa.org/testimonials/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 4:33 PM, Mario Gómez <mxgxw.alpha at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Catarina!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Almost a year ago I started to become familiar with the concept of
>>>>>>> the Open Hardware. Personally I have been an advocate for Open Source
>>>>>>> Software since I started using Linux more than 10 years ago.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here in my country (El Salvador) we were the most industrialized
>>>>>>> country on central americas at the end of 60s and begining of 70s, but
>>>>>>> political issues and a bloody civil war put a stop to the industries and
>>>>>>> now we are lagged behind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However we still have several technical high-schools were people can
>>>>>>> learn electronics, mechanics, mechatronics and even architecture. I
>>>>>>> graduated myself from one of this schools. Also, all Universities teach
>>>>>>> engineering on several fields but few people have the real opportunity to
>>>>>>> develop solutions using their skills, most of them become marketeers of
>>>>>>> existing solutions or technical support people in the best of the cases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From the begining of the last year I started to write in my blog
>>>>>>> about small open-hardware projects and via mailing lists and social
>>>>>>> networks I started to communicate with many people that works in the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So in the last year I have found a lot of people working around the
>>>>>>> country in projects based on Open Hardware solutions, from individuals to
>>>>>>> schools and universities. At one point, we thought that could be a great
>>>>>>> idea to conform the Open Hardware Community in El Salvador to share
>>>>>>> experiences and promote this kind of "philosophy of sharing to create".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What we found after that was a lot of people working everywhere in
>>>>>>> the country telling us: "We tought that we were alone on this", but you see
>>>>>>> the spark on their eyes when you tell them that they are not alone but part
>>>>>>> of a community that can help them to materialize their ideas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me, the Open Source Hardware it's an incredible oportunity to
>>>>>>> show the world that this country still has a lot of potential and has
>>>>>>> people capable of create, invent and develop solutions to the problems,
>>>>>>> this empowers the feeling on the people that we are not just a consumist
>>>>>>> country with a lot of social problems but a place were we can create and
>>>>>>> solve problems by ourselfs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The next step is to tell the people that they need to merchandise
>>>>>>> their ideas (in a good way). There is a lot of incredible projects on the
>>>>>>> schools and universities collecting dust that could became live if the
>>>>>>> people uses Internet to collaborate and show to the world what they are
>>>>>>> capable of.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From CNCs and 3D-Printers built from recycled parts to
>>>>>>> automatization systems for the industry you'll be surprised of all the
>>>>>>> things that the people is doing here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a community our main idea is to give the people the tools so they
>>>>>>> can share and colaborate with OSHW projecs around the world. Now we are
>>>>>>> just starting with this but we hope that if we acomplish this, there is
>>>>>>> going to be a complete change of mentality of being a "consumist" country
>>>>>>> and become real "producers".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As Emilio Said in another reply we would be happy to share the
>>>>>>> experiences of the people here. Emilio can act as a translator jajajaja :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Mario.
>>>>>>> (Member of the OpenHardware Community in El Salvador)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P.D.: Sorry for my bad english If something needs clarification
>>>>>>> please tell me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:07 PM, Emilio Velis <
>>>>>>> contacto at emiliovelis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is just an idea, and you're free to dismiss it, but it would
>>>>>>>> be nice to have a space with people's (or group's) profiles and their
>>>>>>>> testimonial. From our side (as an emerging group of Open Hardware from El
>>>>>>>> Salvador) sharing testimonials from people that don't speak English and
>>>>>>>> would've never thought to be connected globally in this mindset would be a
>>>>>>>> very nice experience.
>>>>>>>> El nov 5, 2013 2:59 p.m., "Catarina Mota" <
>>>>>>>> catarina at openmaterials.org> escribió:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Absolutely, whatever people prefer! There can even be multiple
>>>>>>>>> ways to contribute (to the list, to me, on a google doc, etherpad, etc.) -
>>>>>>>>> as long as I know what all the channels are, I can pull the information
>>>>>>>>> into an OSHWA page.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's a google doc for those who prefer it:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K0JyOKWbldWtXXpqhAOTsGQ23NmEtQit6bDlLLTbFhs/edit?usp=sharing
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But I do think that it's good to keep them as individual
>>>>>>>>> testimonials to capture more diversity of perspectives. If, at one point,
>>>>>>>>> anyone wants to take a stab at summarizing it all that would be awesome too.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Emilio Velis <
>>>>>>>>> contacto at emiliovelis.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We could work an Etherpad or Google Docs document to make it
>>>>>>>>>> collaborative.
>>>>>>>>>> El nov 5, 2013 2:20 p.m., "Catarina Mota" <
>>>>>>>>>> catarina at openmaterials.org> escribió:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  Awesome!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael: you can either just post your testimonial on this
>>>>>>>>>>> thread, or email it directly to me if you prefer.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Gabby: that's a great idea! Same thing: either send to the list
>>>>>>>>>>> or to me and I'll start a page on oshwa.org (if no one has
>>>>>>>>>>> objections to that).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:14 PM, gabriella levine <
>>>>>>>>>>> gabriella.levine at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know also there have been a number of amazing and
>>>>>>>>>>>> inspirational talks about the importance of OSHW, none of which are
>>>>>>>>>>>> archived in one spot - would this be such a place for this , also?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I agree that this could be cool and I'm definitely
>>>>>>>>>>>> interested. I can get you a few lines of text, video, and photos if that
>>>>>>>>>>>> would work.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 3:08 PM, Catarina Mota <
>>>>>>>>>>>> catarinamfmota at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about the real significance of open source
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hardware. We spend a lot time discussing how to do OSHW right. We usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> explain its advantages by saying that it allows people to copy, modify, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> transform hardware, which leads to faster development and better
>>>>>>>>>>>>> technologies. But I think there is more to it than that. In some recent
>>>>>>>>>>>>> conversations, a few people mentioned the sense of empowerment and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberation that comes from creating and modifying technologies, which makes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> me think that there are deeper cultural implications here.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> So I was thinking that it would be nice to compile a series of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testimonials about what people perceive as the personal, practical,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> political, cultural, social or economic advantages and disadvantages of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> open source hardware.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If OSHWA agrees, we can create a page for these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> testimonials/opinions on oshwa.org. Or, if for any reason,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that is problematic, I can find another place to publish them. I just think
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that it's important to put a more human face on our outreach efforts
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (rather than just publishing technical and legal information).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does anyone want to contribute? There's no structure, just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> whatever you want to say about this topic. If you post your opinions on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this list I can collect, compile and publish them (on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> oshwa.org or somewhere else). Hopefully this can also trigger
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an interesting discussion :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Catarina
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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