[Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 10, Issue 38

Michael Shiloh michaelshiloh1010 at gmail.com
Mon Mar 11 02:38:28 UTC 2013


 > more like a nutrition label

Makes me think of the food pyramid. A well-balanced program should have 
3 servings of open source hardware, 5 servings of open source software, 
and a couple servings of open source manufacturing.

On 03/10/2013 06:59 PM, Tom Igoe wrote:
> (this mail seems to have trouble going out to the list for some reason. Sorry if
> it's a repeat)
>
> Great idea, but I wasn't actually imagining icons  on the board itself, but on
> the website or packaging, more like a nutrition label. I think the two could
> work well together.
>
>
>
> On Mar 7, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Catarina Mota wrote:
>
>> Nice image! That's what I was imagining. Even the short version may be hard to
>> print on a PCB, but as long as they're somewhere on the packaging and product
>> website it would be good. Not sure if this is the way to go though. What do
>> other people think?
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 4:33 PM, malcolm stanley <a.malcolm.stanley at gmail.com
>> <mailto:a.malcolm.stanley at gmail.com>> wrote:
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>>     sorry, with image:
>>
>>     <laundry.gif>
>>
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>>     On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 4:29 PM, malcolm stanley
>>     <a.malcolm.stanley at gmail.com <mailto:a.malcolm.stanley at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>          It could be similar to the laundry symbols on textiles.
>>
>>          Like these?
>>
>>         laundry.gif
>>
>>         So I see shapes for major categories of activity, combined with
>>         clarifying text in many cases.
>>         Multiple symbols can be used per item.
>>         The symbols can be found on the web if further clarification is required.
>>         Interestingly, there are instructions (positive signalling) and
>>         warnings (negative signalling) in the same symbol set.
>>
>>         Applied to the use case here, what I hear you suggesting is that we
>>         have a major "shape" for each category, like electronics, case,
>>         software (already has a symbol set, really, in CC), and so on, and
>>         then within each of those we can have further clarifying text or warnings.
>>
>>         is that your thought?
>>
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>>         On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Catarina Mota
>>         <catarina at openmaterials.org <mailto:catarina at openmaterials.org>> wrote:
>>
>>             I'm referring to a better way to determine how a project/product
>>             should be presented to the world: Does it have the OSHW logo on
>>             it? Is it described as open source hardware on its website etc.?
>>             How do we label open/closed hybrids?
>>
>>             It's been suggested we use two different symbols, one for fully
>>             open and another for partially open. Or that only the components
>>             that are open source be labeled that way, which may present some
>>             manufacturing difficulties. But I still like the idea of Tom's at
>>             glance label that can be both on the documentation and on the
>>             product (as a sticker or something). As Matt suggests, products
>>             that are entirely open source can just bear the blue gear logo
>>             since there is no additional info to provide about their openness;
>>             and items that are hybrids would have a flyer or sticker somewhere
>>             in/on their packaging. It could be similar to the laundry symbols
>>             on textiles.
>>
>>
>>             On Thu, Mar 7, 2013 at 2:46 PM, Tom Igoe <tom.igoe at gmail.com
>>             <mailto:tom.igoe at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>                 I think you're talking about two different things here. I'm
>>                 not sure Catarina's talking about a sticker or logo, so much
>>                 as an inventory tool.
>>
>>                 t.
>>
>>                 On Mar 7, 2013, at 1:06 PM, Matt Maier wrote:
>>
>>>                 Catarina,
>>>                 I agree with all of your sentiments regarding the integrity
>>>                 of the open source hardware definitions and mark(s).
>>>                 It doesn't seem like a sticker or a logo will have enough
>>>                 space to provide any useful resolution on which subcomponents
>>>                 are open. And as you pointed out the source files, while they
>>>                 can contain infinite resolution, might be hard to find.
>>>                 What if the mark/stamp/logo/whatever was used only to
>>>                 identify things that are totally open.
>>>                 For things that are partially open, or that contain open
>>>                 components, there could be a flyer (like a receipt, mattress
>>>                 tag, or warranty card) that has enough surface area to
>>>                 summarize the open components and their associated licenses.
>>>                 The added expense would be minimal and some projects would
>>>                 even have enough material to just print the flyer on an
>>>                 inside surface as part of the manufacturing process.
>>>                 Not so much a "mark" as an "openness card."
>>>                 Of course it wouldn't be mandatory, but the OSHWA could
>>>                 define best practices and a template for the openness card to
>>>                 make it easy for producers to standardize so that
>>>                 consumers/developers know what they're looking at.
>>>                 Cheers,
>>>                 Matt
>>>
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>>>                     Agreed, this could work. I wasn't suggesting that the
>>>                     more detailed label
>>>                     needs to be on the product itself (though a sticker would
>>>                     make it easier to
>>>                     deal with), but there should be some sort of clarity
>>>                     about whether or not a
>>>                     project is open or partially open. And if we say it's
>>>                     partially open then
>>>                     somewhere (on the documentation? on the website? on the
>>>                     product's
>>>                     packaging?) we should state which parts are open source.
>>>
>>>
>>>                     >
>>>                     > -Matt
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>>>                     >> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 11:26:33 -0500
>>>                     >> From: Catarina Mota <catarina at openmaterials.org
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>>>                     >> This is why I was so attracted to Tom's idea of a
>>>                     label that, no matter
>>>                     >> where it's placed on the product, tells you right away
>>>                     what parts are
>>>                     >> open.
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