[Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 9, Issue 15

[malcolm stanley]

Tom, this whole discussion is a staggering example of customer development
and I am in awe of your ability to draw people out so effectively. +1 to
you for keeping this going so productively.

when you say

 *     "I've spoken to multiple companies who've told me they can't afford
to do open products due to the cost of liability. How do you answer those?".
*

Can't address the concerns until they are at least quantified.
Can you clarify the liabilities of concern? Are they IP issues? Safety
issues? or issues of another nature?

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On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Tom Igoe <tom.igoe at gmail.com> wrote:

> I don't think you can ignore regulations, though, because they affect
> people's choices about openness.  I've spoken to multiple companies who've
> told me they can't afford to do open products due to the cost of liability.
>  How do you answer those?
>
> t.
>
> On Feb 28, 2013, at 3:24 PM, Pierce Nichols wrote:
>
> > I think OSHWA should focus on openness (i.e. reproducibility,
> > repairability, etc) and openness only. Leave the sort of specific
> > regulatory and technical specifications such as CE, UL and so on
> > encode to the existing bodies. They're doing a decent enough job as it
> > is.
> >
> > I agree with Matt that the logo should be simple and easy to Google.
> > It also really needs to be monochrome if we're going to put it on
> > PCBs. It's possible to do multi-colored legends, but it's expensive
> > and limits your options for PCB houses.
> >
> > -p
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Tom Igoe <tom.igoe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> That's the kind of response i was hoping for, thanks!
> >>
> >> No, I don't think OSHWA does any of those things yet.  Should it?
> >>
> >> t.
> >>
> >> On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:49 PM, malcolm stanley wrote:
> >>
> >> I would argue as a reseller in the telecom space that UL / CSA / CE etc
> cert
> >> markings are extremely important and that some segments of consumers are
> >> extremely aware of them. In any case, unless you plan to ALWAYS sell
> your
> >> products direct to consumers, then you must consider the needs of the
> >> intermediate markets who rely on these certifications and the assurances
> >> underlying them  as an important form of insurance against liability and
> >> litigation. Does OSHWA provide a service of any kind that provides a
> service
> >> to intermediate purchasers and resellers who would otherwise have to do
> the
> >> work themselves? Thinking export compliance, parts list verification,
> >> country of origin documentation as an example of a valuable outcome to
> some
> >> segment of possible intermediate purchasers...
> >>
> >> _________________________________________
> >> malcolm stanley
> >>
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> >> _________________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Feb 28, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Tom Igoe <tom.igoe at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Great question.
> >>>
> >>> I'd say currently the mark is only for those in the club. It's a
> growing
> >>> club, if sales are any indication, but it is still a club.  How wide an
> >>> audience does OSHWA want to reach?
> >>>
> >>> There are certs that reach a mass audience and are still unknown to
> >>> consumers, e.g. UL. That could be one model: still a club, but very
> >>> widespread.
> >>>
> >>> t.
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 28, 2013, at 1:38 PM, malcolm stanley wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Still unclear to me who the mark is for. If it is for end-user
> consumers
> >>> then, for the forseeable future, the information density of the mark
> must be
> >>> extremely limited, as most consumers will not be able to interpret it
> or
> >>> know what it means. In this case the mark must provide clear
> direction, via
> >>> script or visible lettering, that may be used to easily find the mark
> on the
> >>> internet via search, so the meaning of the mark can be researched by
> the
> >>> minimally curious..
> >>>
> >>> If the mark is only for those in the club who are versed in the secret
> >>> signs and handshakes, and know where to look for it in the secret
> hiding
> >>> place, then the information density may go up, as we can colour code
> etc to
> >>> our hearts content. But then we possibly lose access to the mark as an
> >>> advertising and marketing tool driving awareness of our efforts.
> >>>
> >>> Again, who is the target market for the mark?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >
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> > Principal Engineer
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