[Discuss] New OSHWA post up - Legal Notes

yahya yahya.tawil at gmail.com
Wed Dec 11 18:39:02 UTC 2013

It was really a very interested article it is full of informations and
important notices !

I have an idea but I don't know if here is the best place to explain it
.... anyway my idea is :

In software the most popular license is CC , which came with a lot of
flavors (commercial use, not commercial use , ... etc) , and all of these
licenses don't form a contradiction with open source software  definition
(as definition in open source software and free software movement ) .

But we in open hardware if we used by example : "CC-BY-NC" our work will
not considered OSW because it is a contradiction with definition of
OSW<http://www.oshwa.org/definition/>(see *4.
Derived Works*) or what you named the social contact , SO why we obligate
Openhardware to be always free for commercial distribution , I think it
must be an option as software NOT OBLIGATION .

P.S : I've get alot of benifits from commercial distribution of
openhardware circuits in my local community because difficulties of
importing goods in my situation , but also our local community still
beginner in OSW and there are a lot of cloners that mustn't give the
ability to clone freely because the have resources and money in contrast of
open hardwarians in my local community WHO need to make also commercial
benifits of there open design  .

On Tue, Dec 10, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Emilio Velis <contacto at emiliovelis.com>wrote:

> After something like this, it would be nice to find converging lines among
> people in other regions.
> Do you have more contacts outside the United States? Althought some of us
> aren't lawyers, I think it would be nice to organize hangouts to discuss
> issues such as these and invite experts from different regions to find the
> possibility to replicate some of the efforts you're doing worldwide. Let us
> know if you're interested, I know for sure that Mario Gómez and I would be
> delighted to participate in something like this.
> Perhaps it won't happen in the near future, but it would be nice to keep
> that possibility open.
> On 6 December 2013 10:49, alicia <amgibb at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Yes, definitely all the legal professionals in the room were American. I
>> will add this at the bottom in the disclaimers.
>> Thanks,
>> Alicia
>> smallwindturbineproj.contactor at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Thank you Alicia.
>>> It a huge job. Bravo !
>>> However, may we suggest you to modify "just a little" some parts of your
>>> blog post, concerning the "copyright and patent" section ?
>>> The analysis seems delivered across US (or US-like) copyright and patent
>>> concept. Maybe you should insist the copyright and patent analysis might
>>> not match with some world regions. Then, insisting on this, might avoid
>>> wrong reasoning for places where the US (or US-like) copyright concept is
>>> not (fortunately yet) completely valid.
>>> To better understand why, by a based-on-written-law country example, you
>>> will maybe interested in reading the following links - remember, there are
>>> also a lot of other regions where the law is oral and ownership is only
>>> valid across oral (or also "signs without any world at all") decisions :
>>> http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_52
>>> and also:
>>> http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_46
>>> http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_48
>>> http://artlibre.org/licence/faq#FAQ_49
>>> Again, copyright term internationalization comes from a US industrial
>>> export spreading - by negotiation state by state region by region - and
>>> might (already have) generate(d) a US supremacy above copyleft practices
>>> and local culrure - where ownership is part of long ancestral culture
>>> evolution - whatever this supremacy is bad or good - the notion of bad or
>>> good is not the purpose here, but we might consider that people should be
>>> aware about this, if relevant - if so, we might think of it, might we ?
>>> Freely
>>> Antoine
>>> 2013/12/6 alicia <amgibb at gmail.com>
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> We wrote up the notes from the Legal Day in NYC as a blog post. We hope
>>>> you find it useful:
>>>> http://www.oshwa.org/2013/12/05/open-hardware-legal-meetup-nyu-nov-11/
>>>> We hope to have more of these in the future with larger rooms to
>>>> accommodate more participants!
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Alicia
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