[Discuss] discuss Digest, Vol 15, Issue 8

Nathan Cravens knuggy at gmail.com
Fri Aug 23 12:02:54 UTC 2013


Trolls are cool. They just want sweeties. :p


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>    1. Re: OSHW and patent trolls 99cyasr 99patents 99trolls
>       (Alicia Gibb)
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>       (Alicia Gibb)
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> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:07:00 -0600
> From: Alicia Gibb <pip at nycresistor.com>
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> Subject: Re: [Discuss] OSHW and patent trolls 99cyasr 99patents
>         99trolls
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> Thanks for the article, it's helpful when this stuff is documented.
> Catarina, oshwa's research chair is writing a business survey, this would
> be a good question to enter, and really any IP issues would be good to hear
> about.
>
> Alicia
> On Aug 20, 2013 7:29 PM, "Doug Leppard" <doug.leppard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Alicia thank you so much for your answer which went to the core of my
> > question.  I had heard patent trolls went after startups even if there
> was
> > no money and either killed the startup with their demands or got a piece
> of
> > the action (percentage of the company) to force the startup to get rid of
> > the threat.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Colleen Chien worked a white paper on ?Startups and Patent Trolls?.  The
> > paper has excellent recommendations on changing patent law.  See
> > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2146251 ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I am glad to hear it has not been an issue so far with the OSHW community
> > but I know it has been with people on Kickstarter project and even
> > Kickstarter itself.**
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Doug Leppard****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *From:* discuss-bounces at lists.oshwa.org [mailto:
> > discuss-bounces at lists.oshwa.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Gibb
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:39 PM
> > *To:* The Open Source Hardware Association Discussion List
> > *Cc:* 999jy; Marketply
> > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] OSHW and patent trolls 99cyasr 99patents
> 99trolls
> > ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I haven't yet heard of any patent trolls specifically going after open
> > hardware. Considering that patent trolls make their money off IP, its
> > possible that a product / project with no IP and therefore no money for
> > them doesn't appeal to them. I'd also like to hear from the community if
> > this has happened to anyone?****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > As for discussion, there is a lot of discussion currently in the US
> > Congress about IP reform. Nathan Seidle testified a few weeks ago
> offering
> > his changes to the current system to lawmakers:
> > https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1229****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > If you've got ideas for patent reform, now is the time to send your
> > congresspeople an email. ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Cheers,****
> >
> > Alicia ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM, YES NOPE9 <yes at nope9.com> wrote:****
> >
> > One way to deal with this is to set up a database of ideas released into
> > the public domain ( prior art )****
> >
> > These ideas could be tagged so that Goggle could search for them
> .......**
> > **
> >
> > Tag could be #PublicDomainPatent****
> >
> >           99guspuppet****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Marketply wrote:****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Patents will get ever more competition from openly published, freed
> > inventions, especially the day when there will be a reliable, open
> > technology database available the patent system can easily access to
> review
> > for prior art.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > I've been in discussion with a patent lawyer about this for two years,
> and
> > I'm getting ready to submit a few guidelines for patent reform, with
> actual
> > examples. Now the time is perfect.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > There's already hints of this entering public discussion<
> http://blog.makezine.com/2013/05/02/first-to-file-nah-first-to-blog>
> > .****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > It would seem that the change to 'first to file' gives extraordinary
> > advantages to open technology that hasn't yet been fully realized. I've
> > been asking lawyers long before the change what this means for publishing
> > (before anyone files a patent), and all replies look good for publishing
> > 'open patents' before anyone can file the patent.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Speed is of the essence. And crowd-powered efforts on open projects have
> > that as a natural advantage. ****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > We only need a Quirky type of organization for publishing high quality
> > open technology schematics at lightning speed, and a revolution in open
> > technology is upon us.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > If anyone wants more info on the patent reform guidelines or even to
> > collaborate we can open a new discussion.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Marino Hernandez****
> >
> > (just a founder of Marketply <http://www.marketply.org>)****
> >
> > 203-429-420****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > On August 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM Doug Leppard <doug.leppard at gmail.com>
> > wrote: ****
> >
> > What are some experiences with OSHW and patent issues especially patent
> > trolls.  A friend of mine who is a patent attorney said that almost
> > anything you do could be covered by a patent already.  Recent articles
> > shows of trolls going after Kickstarter projects.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Any experiences here?  Anything to learn from?****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Doug Leppard****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > discuss mailing list
> > discuss at lists.oshwa.org
> > http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Thu, 22 Aug 2013 09:07:00 -0600
> From: Alicia Gibb <pip at nycresistor.com>
> To: The Open Source Hardware Association Discussion List
>         <discuss at lists.oshwa.org>
> Subject: Re: [Discuss] OSHW and patent trolls 99cyasr 99patents
>         99trolls
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>
> Thanks for the article, it's helpful when this stuff is documented.
> Catarina, oshwa's research chair is writing a business survey, this would
> be a good question to enter, and really any IP issues would be good to hear
> about.
>
> Alicia
> On Aug 20, 2013 7:29 PM, "Doug Leppard" <doug.leppard at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Alicia thank you so much for your answer which went to the core of my
> > question.  I had heard patent trolls went after startups even if there
> was
> > no money and either killed the startup with their demands or got a piece
> of
> > the action (percentage of the company) to force the startup to get rid of
> > the threat.****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Colleen Chien worked a white paper on ?Startups and Patent Trolls?.  The
> > paper has excellent recommendations on changing patent law.  See
> > http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=2146251 ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I am glad to hear it has not been an issue so far with the OSHW community
> > but I know it has been with people on Kickstarter project and even
> > Kickstarter itself.**
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Doug Leppard****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > *From:* discuss-bounces at lists.oshwa.org [mailto:
> > discuss-bounces at lists.oshwa.org] *On Behalf Of *Alicia Gibb
> > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 20, 2013 1:39 PM
> > *To:* The Open Source Hardware Association Discussion List
> > *Cc:* 999jy; Marketply
> > *Subject:* Re: [Discuss] OSHW and patent trolls 99cyasr 99patents
> 99trolls
> > ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > I haven't yet heard of any patent trolls specifically going after open
> > hardware. Considering that patent trolls make their money off IP, its
> > possible that a product / project with no IP and therefore no money for
> > them doesn't appeal to them. I'd also like to hear from the community if
> > this has happened to anyone?****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > As for discussion, there is a lot of discussion currently in the US
> > Congress about IP reform. Nathan Seidle testified a few weeks ago
> offering
> > his changes to the current system to lawmakers:
> > https://www.sparkfun.com/news/1229****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > If you've got ideas for patent reform, now is the time to send your
> > congresspeople an email. ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Cheers,****
> >
> > Alicia ****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 4:04 PM, YES NOPE9 <yes at nope9.com> wrote:****
> >
> > One way to deal with this is to set up a database of ideas released into
> > the public domain ( prior art )****
> >
> > These ideas could be tagged so that Goggle could search for them
> .......**
> > **
> >
> > Tag could be #PublicDomainPatent****
> >
> >           99guspuppet****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > On Aug 19, 2013, at 3:09 PM, Marketply wrote:****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > Patents will get ever more competition from openly published, freed
> > inventions, especially the day when there will be a reliable, open
> > technology database available the patent system can easily access to
> review
> > for prior art.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > I've been in discussion with a patent lawyer about this for two years,
> and
> > I'm getting ready to submit a few guidelines for patent reform, with
> actual
> > examples. Now the time is perfect.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > There's already hints of this entering public discussion<
> http://blog.makezine.com/2013/05/02/first-to-file-nah-first-to-blog>
> > .****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > It would seem that the change to 'first to file' gives extraordinary
> > advantages to open technology that hasn't yet been fully realized. I've
> > been asking lawyers long before the change what this means for publishing
> > (before anyone files a patent), and all replies look good for publishing
> > 'open patents' before anyone can file the patent.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Speed is of the essence. And crowd-powered efforts on open projects have
> > that as a natural advantage. ****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > We only need a Quirky type of organization for publishing high quality
> > open technology schematics at lightning speed, and a revolution in open
> > technology is upon us.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > If anyone wants more info on the patent reform guidelines or even to
> > collaborate we can open a new discussion.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Marino Hernandez****
> >
> > (just a founder of Marketply <http://www.marketply.org>)****
> >
> > 203-429-420****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > On August 19, 2013 at 1:59 PM Doug Leppard <doug.leppard at gmail.com>
> > wrote: ****
> >
> > What are some experiences with OSHW and patent issues especially patent
> > trolls.  A friend of mine who is a patent attorney said that almost
> > anything you do could be covered by a patent already.  Recent articles
> > shows of trolls going after Kickstarter projects.****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Any experiences here?  Anything to learn from?****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > Doug Leppard****
> >
> >  ****
> >
> >
> >  ****
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > discuss mailing list
> > discuss at lists.oshwa.org
> > http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > discuss mailing list
> > discuss at lists.oshwa.org
> > http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss****
> >
> > ** **
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > discuss mailing list
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> > http://lists.oshwa.org/listinfo/discuss
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